Is it? What's obvious is you can't have a Johnson government without Brexit so it's a weird comment for someone who opposes Brexit so vehemently to come out with. Actually, it's not a weird comment when you consider who posted it. Now with all due respect, as much as you like to "like" his posts on this thread because they square with your own opinions, you were still in primary school when I first came across said poster on another forum so I think I can safely say that I have enough experience of his character down the years to pass judgement whereas you don't. You'll learn though.
Again, i've not seen anything to suggest that GDM is now a leaver who supports a deal being reached over just remaining in.
Correct, so the only option is to leave the EU, with a deal most preferably, yes?No,I'm supportive of making the best out of the pile of shit we've been put in.
Revoking will piss off approx half the electorate.
WDB is not a leaver.
You've named 5 others. That is not the majority of remainers, i'm sorry to say.
Do you call yourself a leaver now, then?
Again, i've not seen anything to suggest that GDM is now a leaver who supports a deal being reached over just remaining in.
Then he's a remainer still, if he believes remaining is the best option.It’s not about being a “leaver” now. It’s not some sort of status that you change, like a relationship on Facebook.
He thinks remaining is best but a deal is tolerable.
With all due respect you can fucking fuck off with your condescending shite, old man.
I’ll like what I want and don’t bring up my age or I’ll do the same.
It was obvious if you followed the conversation in which he said Johnson would make him immediately better off.
The country will go down the shit but the richest will get an instant tax cut, that’s his point.
Welcome to the club then.
I’m a leaver that wants and still expects a deal.
Happy days, what have we been arguing about the last 3 years?
Then stop saying that leavers are the problem if you STILL feel that remaining is the best option. You're still a remainer refusing to accept we must leave the EU. This isn't a debate of "how" it a debate on "which is best, leaving the EU or remaining in?" You still feel the best option is to remain in, over reaching a deal.Again- it’s not a fucking relationship status.
We all think remain is the best option but will compromise with a reasonable deal.
I’ll never be a leave voter.
It was off the topic of my head and I’ve named 6 regulars who are often in here, I’m not going through the entire forum list for you for fuck sake.
I'm a firm remainer who thinks leaving is fucking stupid, but I would take a deal. Not because this is what I want but because 1) it will end this shite and we can move on, no deal does not do this 2) it will stop all the leave voters bitching and whining that their 'democratic voice was ignored' if we remain. This doesn't make me a leave voter, it makes me a pragmatist.Correct, so the only option is to leave the EU, with a deal most preferably, yes?
Cast off your "remainer" tag, join the purpose of leave and start compromising to push forward a leave deal we can all agree upon. A Common Market 2.0., EFTA membership etc.
Congratulations on completely and utterly missing my point ;)
Then stop saying that leavers are the problem if you STILL feel that remaining is the best option. You're still a remainer refusing to accept we must leave the EU. This isn't a debate of "how" it a debate on "which is best, leaving the EU or remaining in?" You still feel the best option is to remain in, over reaching a deal.
The "brextremists" and "remoaners" will find their opinions dwarved by the many, many millions of voters who want a conclusion to this saga that sees us leaving the EU (thereby respecting the result) but doing so in a way that does not damage our economy; many options were presented to the UK by the EU on how to achieve this, but May refused because of HER red lines.I think with a lot of people, it's a case of honouring the referendum result and that as we're over 3 years further down the line, remaining in the EU might cause even further divisions. Be interesting if we had a second ref though with remain an option. I think some Remainers who feel exiting with a deal is the least messy way forward may be tempted to revert back to Remain. And that's their right of course
I’m doing exactly what you’re doing. We’re both highlighting those on each side that won’t compromise. I actually defend the right of anyone to say what they want about Brexit, they’re entitled to but it’s not helpful.
Well that’s hardly a progressive exercise but off the top of my head-
Me
Westdidsblu
Len Rum
Bob
Blue Hefner
GDM
Apologies if I’ve missed anyone, feel free to respond stating so.
Have all stated a compromise to leave, I believe, if a reasonable deal is found.
We all agree it’ll be worse than our current agreement but we’ll compromise.
The trouble we have on here is that the argument has shifted from leave and remain to no deal and everything else. The last few months I’ve almost completely just argued against no deal but some on here now see that as an attack on Brexit as an entirety. They now only see no deal as Brexit and a deal can get in the bin.
Correct, I'm a Remainer but I would accept a deal that doesn't fuck up the economy, respects the GFA and wouldn't instigate a break up of the UK. Haven't seen one proposed yet that meets those criteria, and the government don't seem inclined to consider one.WDB is not a leaver.
You've named 5 others. That is not the majority of remainers, i'm sorry to say.
Do you call yourself a leaver now, then?
No I got it.
You know him better than me so I shouldn’t agree with him and I was in primary school when you were at the university of Didsbury Dave’s online persona.
Tell me- who were you on here previously?
Yeah, which means your position is that you now support leaving the EU. For whatever reasons you wish to justify (myself, it's to heal the toxic political divisions) advocating that leaving with a deal is favourable than remaining (owing to the issues that would create) means you are a "leave supporter", not that you voted to leave or want to leave, you're a leave with a deal advocate.* tries really hard not to be rude *
Are you struggling here? Seriously you’re not getting the point and I’m getting annoyed at how stupid this conversation is.
We will feel what we fucking like. We’re not going to change our opinion on EU membership because leave won the vote.
What we are doing is saying “okay, we voted to leave, let’s compromise and accept that leaving with a deal that’s reasonable is an outcome we can accept, as this was what the leave campaign said”.
It’s that straight forward.
lolYou seen my join date?
I'm afraid you've made it abundantly clear you are a paradigm case of those you describe in your compelling 'last line':Nope. Sovereignty is a constitutional/legal term of art with a clear and specific meaning. It refers to the state by virtue of which a person or body within a society is supreme and can in the last resort impose its will upon all other persons or bodies within that society. In the UK that full right rests now in Parliament, as it has for over 300 years. Membership of the EU has not resulted in any loss of sovereignty, nor will exiting from the EU result in any increase in sovereignty.
I repeat the last line of my earlier post.
So long as it allows the UK to conduct trade deals outside of and adjacent to the EU's rules, fine by me.What is achievable in that deal. Leave voters often have an issue with reality and think the reason a Customs Union Agreement is being pushed is a sneaky ploy to trap us, when it’s the only way of upholding the GFA.
Put the border in the Irish Sea or the UK has to remain in a Customs Agreement with the EU, it’s that simple.