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These claims are not even denied by BoJo's team, clearly because they are 100% true with significant evidence to back them up. Multiple EU sources have accused him of basically lying about the negotiations. The EU negotiators have confirmed they are available to meet daily but there are not daily meetings taking place as there is nothing brought forward to discuss, if this was not true it would be very easy to disprove it.

It is David Davis all over again. Big hitters of the leave movement simply refusing to go into bat to get the easy deal they all promised us. They just want to blame the EU when it all falls apart, a pantomime that we have seen before.
So:

Step 1. establish clarity that the backstop must be removed - nothing else needed

Step 2. discuss the opportunity to use 'alternative arrangements' and to implement an effective standstill/transition period following 31/10/19 during which details will be finalised and embedded into a future agreement

Step 3 - place the EU in a position where they have no time to dissemble and they either go with that of they execute No-Deal and do that before you

Step 4 - place Westminster in a position where they have no time to dissemble and they either go with that of they execute No-Deal

Step 5. Leave and then negotiate during the transition period

Seemed quite an obvious approach and has the benefit of ending this farce either way - of course until Westminster's last throw(s) of the dice

Stop clinging to David Davis's incompetence - he was hamstrung by May, Robbins and Hammond - as were others.

The key words are 'viable' and 'political will to use it'

There does not need to be a 'massive engagement' - just one thing agreed to and the EU know what it is.
 
?? strange question

Was never used - was never even threatened

The key words are 'viable' and 'political will to use it'

Threatening the EU with no deal doesn't seem like a sound negotiation strategy if I may say so.
The EU are not fools, they know we don't want a no deal and it will hurt us more because it goes against common sense.

Not to mention the EUs negotiating position is crystal clear
 
Yes it does. I thought I'd given multiple reasons for that and explained it in simple enough terms for you to understand.
Likely just another use of the tactic to be abusive and argumentative - and when they successfully provoke someone to step out of line run for cover and highlight the words of the person who was provoked
 
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?? strange question

Was never used - was never even threatened

The key words are 'viable' and 'political will to use it'
Just repeating the same old shite again and again doesn't make it any more true. No Deal will be worse, actually much worse, for us than for the EU. The EU would cope with it if they had to and would help RoI out of the mess that we would put them in. There would be no-one to help us out of our mess and we would become America's bitch within a year if we didn't go crawling back to Brussels for a deal.
If you call that a viable threat then there's something wrong with you.
 
Obviously I mean the Brexit threads over the last 3 years. Don’t be pedantic.

I’ve just never seen you at all and then you’ve come on talking as if you’ve always been here.

I just found it odd.

Funny that because I don't recall you posting on the Brexit thread when I was active last summer. What other username do you post under by the way?
 

Stop clinging to David Davis's incompetence - he was hamstrung by May, Robbins and Hammond - as were others.

The key words are 'viable' and 'political will to use it'

There does not need to be a 'massive engagement' - just one thing agreed to and the EU know what it is.

A laughable oversimplification.

What is the difference between a standstill agreement and an extension?
 
A laughable oversimplification.

What is the difference between a standstill agreement and an extension?
If I may there is a difference between the two.

With an extension we are still officially a member of the Union and could revoke article 50.

With a standstill agreement we are out officially with no way to revoke, but would continue with our current position with the European Union but no longer officially a member.

The next 12 months would put us in a position where we would need to negotiate some sort of relationship with the EU.
 

They don't always allow comments but when they do they are an eye opener. Again I take comfort from the highest rated.

 
Breaking where?

See nothing on the news websites as yet?

Brexit Secretary. Currently in Madrid threatening the Spanish over...well everything at the moment. Also threatening the Irish with drug shortages in a no deal scenario which is odd given we will be fine apparently. Anyway we have nothing concrete to replace the backstop for another year, so what we want is to leave with a transition deal and nor sweat the details because we will probably have them by December 2020. In short he says trust us and the Irish will have to take ‘a risk on the border’.

Oh and if we can’t leave on 31st October we will hate you all forever.

A compelling and reasoned argument as ever from our Brexit Overlords.
 
If I may there is a difference between the two.

With an extension we are still officially a member of the Union and could revoke article 50.

With a standstill agreement we are out officially with no way to revoke, but would continue with our current position with the European Union but no longer officially a member.

The next 12 months would put us in a position where we would need to negotiate some sort of relationship with the EU.

True but how long would a standstill last and what happens when it ends, who decides when it can end (unilateral or bilateral) - can you have an extension of a standstill?

From a negotiating stance a standstill is semantics - what you are describing is a Withdrawal Agreement and the one on the table has a backstop.
 
No,I'm supportive of making the best out of the pile of shit we've been put in.

Revoking will piss off approx half the electorate.
And half of them will still be pissed off, even if we left, because it won't have been on the terms that they wanted.

"I didn't vote for vassalage!"
"I didn't vote to still be paying the EU money!"
"Leave means Leave!"


Fuck them. Fuck Brexit.

Revoke!
 
And half of them will still be pissed off, even if we left, because it won't have been on the terms that they wanted.

"I didn't vote for vassalage!"
"I didn't vote to still be paying the EU money!"
"Leave means Leave!"


Fuck them. Fuck Brexit.

Revoke!

May the hardest of hard brexits befall you and those with similar attitudes is what i say!

Fuck them to coin a phrase.
 
From that:
"A UK government statement said: "We have now shared in written form a series of confidential technical non-papers which reflect the ideas the UK has been putting forward."
What I want to know is wtf is a non-paper?

It’s a discussion document not meant to form part of any formal negotiations. It’s a way of introducing ideas and not be held to them at a later date.
 
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