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Neville Kneville said:
Incidentally, you earlier edited out the bit where I said 'I will reluctantly accept a deal, which will be the exact one which May's team negotiated, if it happens'. I can only presume, in order to give you some excuse to flounce.
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I ignored it because you very clearly said you dont want any deal, you want it fucked off so forgive me for then ignoring the above as i dont believe you.
 
aguerrrroooooooooooo said:
Daily mail cranking up it's propaganda
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Whilst the thrust of the headline is broadly correct, the consequences for law and order in this country if the government of the day intentionally breaks the law will be absolutely huge, possibly catastrophic. I'm certain, for example, that people would use it as a vehicle to not pay their taxes on time, or at all. Fucking brain dead article.
 
blueinsa said:
I've consistently said we will get a deal with a compromise on the Irish border question and that it will be along the lines of trusted trader, checks away from the border and the talk now is of a compromise that treats the whole of Ireland the same for food and agriculture.

I am good with that.

How many of those so opposed to a no deal brexit will be?
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More importantly, if the ROI and EU aren’t good with it, as they’ve indicated on numerous occasions, then it’s back to the backstop, No Deal or sack it off. That’s the hard facts you don’t seem able to accept.
 
west didsblue said:
More importantly, if the ROI and EU aren’t good with it, as they’ve indicated on numerous occasions, then it’s back to the backstop, No Deal or sack it off. That’s the hard facts you don’t seem able to accept.
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"If"

3 years of remain arguments based on if', could and maybe.

I am confident a deal will be agreed and then its down to our politicians.

Sacking it off as you put it is simply not an option.
 
blueinsa said:
I ignored it because you very clearly said you dont want any deal, you want it fucked off so forgive me for then ignoring the above as i dont believe you.
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May's deal, is the one agreed by our Government & the EU. , which could have been sorted & implemented, years ago, saving the country billions & it could have had more cross party support, if the Governent had involved them, from day 1.

It's nowhere near as good, as staying in the EU, but far better than leaving, blind. I would much much prefer, the deal Corbyn will go for, if he gets the chance or better still, fuck it off, which I believe may now have a small majority.

But if he Government now signs up to May's deal, I won't be out on the streets protesting over it, as I will if there is a no deal exit.

Do I think there will be a deal ? No. Because there are no strong new proposals on offer for the EU to consider & the ERG don't want one anyhow.
 
Neville Kneville said:
May's deal, is the one agreed by our Government & the EU. , which could have been sorted & implemented, years ago, saving the country billions & it could have had more cross party support, if the Governent had involved them, from day 1.
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Cross party support with this parliament is for the birds it really is. Its all one big game they play....the game of No to everything the opposition says.

Still it gives another opportunity to base an opinion and argument on an "if".
 
blueinsa said:
"If"

3 years of remain arguments based on if', could and maybe.

I am confident a deal will be agreed and then its down to our politicians.

Sacking it off as you put it is simply not an option.
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The EU and ROI have consistently said that there have been no UK proposals for alternative arrangements that are close to meeting requirements. In fact there have been no formal proposals put forward at all. To think that it’s all going to be sorted out in 6 weeks is utter delusion unless we accept the backstop or agree that NI effectively remains in the EU. That’s the reality, not your trusted trader bollocks.
 
blueinsa said:
Cross party support with this parliament is for the birds it really is. Its all one big game they play....the game of No to everything the opposition says.

Still it gives another opportunity to base an opinion and argument on an "if".
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Te 'cross party support' would come from the fact that it would have been a 'cross party' deal rather than a Tory one, so they could all claim to have 'done their bit' & claim responsibility for the best bits.

The bill to stop 'no deal' was amended by cross party people who have been working on that very thing & the amendment was to point out that stopping no deal included a committment to continuing to get a suitable deal because the cross party MPs involved, believe they were close to an agreement.
 
west didsblue said:
The EU and ROI have consistently said that there have been no UK proposals for alternative arrangements that are close to meeting requirements. In fact there have been no formal proposals put forward at all. To think that it’s all going to be sorted out in 6 weeks is utter delusion unless we accept the backstop or agree that NI effectively remains in the EU. That’s the reality, not your trusted trader bollocks.
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We will all know whats happening in 6 weeks time.
 
blueinsa said:
No it will be in 6 weeks time.

Right to the last minute it will go to imo.
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It might well do, but this particular aspect, will become clear in the near future. If the EU are happy that there are sensible proposals for the border, they will continue working with it & most likely leak the optimism, so everyone knows they are being 'reasonable' about it.

If the end deal is effectively fucking off NI so bozo can meet his deadline, I agree, they will probably keep that quiet.

But then he has a problem with his own party, in particular.
 
Neville Kneville said:
It might well do, but this particular aspect, will become clear in the near future. If the EU are happy that there are sensible proposals for the border, they will continue working with it & most likely leak the optimism, so everyone knows they are being 'reasonable' about it.

If the end deal is effectively fucking off NI so bozo can meet his deadline, I agree, they will probably keep that quiet.

But then he has a problem with his own party, in particular.
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What will happen is the talk will be tough, with both sides claiming victories and the other dismissing them.

They are at least negotiating, fuck even the DUP turned up in Dublin and that wasnt for shits and giggles i dont believe.

We all want a deal, we all want brexit over with.
 
blueinsa said:
What will happen is the talk will be tough, with both sides claiming victories and the other dismissing them.

They are at least negotiating, fuck even the DUP turned up in Dublin and that wasnt for shits and giggles i dont believe.

We all want a deal, we all want brexit over with.
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The DUP could just as easily have turned up in Dublin & told the Tshirt he will have hell to pay if he tries to grab NI in a deal with Bozo.

I don't believe Reece Mogg & Co want a deal at all, I don't believe Corbyn & Co are happy with May's deal in its current form & I don't believe they will offer anything to solve the border situation, as it is unsolvable, without a border in the sea. Bozo doesn't care either way so long as he is Prime Minister & didn't want to leave in the first place, so there is pretty much nothing he won't do, if he thinks he can stay in the job.
 
blueinsa said:
Cross party support with this parliament is for the birds it really is. Its all one big game they play....the game of No to everything the opposition says.

Still it gives another opportunity to base an opinion and argument on an "if".
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When they held the cross party talks earlier this year we constantly heard Tory MPs express horror at the prospect of doing a deal with a Marxist. We constantly heard Labour MPs express horror at the prospect of facilitating a Tory Brexit.

The negotiating teams could probably have reached an agreement within days days. And if the party leaders had whipped that deal it would probably have gone through. But both the main parties would have had over 100 rebels. It would have mortally split both parties. It was never going to happen
 
blueinsa said:
Dont think there is any more appetite from the EU to kick the can.

They want it over as well.
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They want it over with the U.K. ratifying the WA. Failing that, can kicking will be the second best option. An extension is by far the most likely outcome. The oppostion want an election with the UK still in the EU and Johnson having failed in his ‘do or die’ pledge. I don’t think Johnson wants to fight an election having embraced the WA (aka the ‘surrender document’ as it is referred to in Brexit circles) and would rather be seen as having been forced to ‘die in a ditch’.

This is all about UK politics and how to win the next election. The EU might as well take a three month holiday.
 
cibaman said:
When they held the cross party talks earlier this year we constantly heard Tory MPs express horror at the prospect of doing a deal with a Marxist. We constantly heard Labour MPs express horror at the prospect of facilitating a Tory Brexit.

The negotiating teams could probably have reached an agreement within days days. And if the party leaders had whipped that deal it would probably have gone through. But both the main parties would have had over 100 rebels. It would have mortally split both parties. It was never going to happen
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Completely agree.
 
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