Another new Brexit thread

[blueinsa]

Many of them will just have to moan about it & perhaps campaign to do it again. Just the same as we will have to do the opposite if it goes through.

You don't get away with this.

There is a subtle difference in that we won a vote to leave.

I know that means fuck all to you and others but there you have it.

I dont get away with what?

Is that some sort of threat?

 

[blueinsa]

Not all but a lot would be glad it's over and get on with some kind of normality and wouldn't want the can of worms reopened, at least the majority of the ones I know.

Life is normal for us anyway.

Only those on twitter and on here saying the world is ending say differently.

 

[hilts]

If you accept this as the only possible solution then it does indeed pretty much come down to Jo Swainsons tits to carry parliament and the electorate. How many can honestly say they voted for this in 2016.

In fairness I wasn’t aware of nor looked into Jo Swinsons tits in 2016, I feel for this reason alone no one knew what they were voting for. Personally I blame Kelly Brook as she distracted me for the best part of a decade.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

There is a subtle difference in that we won a vote to leave.

I know that means fuck all to you and others but there you have it.

I dont get away with what?

Is that some sort of threat?

I did wonder what you were meant to 'get away with' - presumably something worse than ignoring the referendum result?

 

[blueinsa]

I did wonder what you were meant to 'get away with' - presumably something worse than ignoring the referendum result?

This.

Guilty of wanting the result respected in the same way i would demand had remain won and we then tried to leave.

I wont get away with it?

Just fuck off lol

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

You think that ends it?

Really?

I suppose all the leave voters will just sit idly by and be told its over eh?

I was just thinking the same. There is no end to this, I'm afraid.

 

[Neville Kneville]

There is a subtle difference in that we won a vote to leave.

I know that means fuck all to you and others but there you have it.

I dont get away with what?

Is that some sort of threat?

That's pathetic tbh.

This situation ends in acrimony, either way. There is no escaping it. The idea was stupid.

This vote has fucked up the country & it isn't going away. Decent chance there are now more of 'us' than there are of 'you' & therefore it probably isn't now democratic & hence why a 2nd referendum is no longer preferable to the leave side when once they wanted one. I don't recognise your right to remove my rights, under a 52% non binding referendum, but as I said, will abide by it, if a negotiated settlement is agreed.

But if we leave or stay doesn't matter, it isn't 'going away'.

It will leave half the country pissed off, then moreso when they realise it then starts again, for years & years.

Then it's likely there starts a movement to rejoin, & as so many leave voters are old, that could soon become more powerful.

It was a very bad idea.

 

[blueinsa]

I was just thinking the same. There is no end to this, I'm afraid.

This parliament has a choice and the clock is ticking because failure to do a deal and get it done will mean they all go to the electorate and face the chances of the brexit party coming into play, along with Tory candidates that are far more brexity as well as many fearing their own electorates in leave areas.

Sure Scotland will vote remain and sure London will vote remain but the rest of the country is imo brexit territory as seen by the map.

It isn't going away, the vote in 2016 and the result will not be forgotten or ignored.

leave and if it works out well then great.

Leave and its shit then rejoin and shout told you so but remain and ignore the result is not an option for a democratic country.

 

[blueinsa]

That's pathetic tbh.

This situation ends in acrimony, either way. There is no escaping it. The idea was stupid.

This vote has fucked up the country & it isn't going away. Decent chance there are now more of 'us' than there are of 'you' & therefore it probably isn't now democratic & hence why a 2nd referendum is no longer preferable to the leave side when once they wanted one. I don't recognise your right to remove my rights, under a 52% non binding referendum, but as I said, will abide by it, if a negotiated settlement is agreed.

But if we leave or stay doesn't matter, it isn't 'going away'.

It will leave half the country pissed off, then moreso when they realise it then starts again, for years & years.

Then it's likely there starts a movement to rejoin, & as so many leave voters are old, that could soon become more powerful.

It was a very bad idea.

Pathetic is saying i dont get away with this.

What exactly do i personally not get away with?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

This parliament has a choice and the clock is ticking because failure to do a deal and get it done will mean they all go to the electorate and face the chances of the brexit party coming into play, along with Tory candidates that are far more brexity as well as many fearing their own electorates in leave areas.

Sure Scotland will vote remain and sure London will vote remain but the rest of the country is imo brexit territory as seen by the map.

It isn't going away, the vote in 2016 and the result will not be forgotten or ignored.

leave and if it works out well then great.

Leave and its shit then rejoin and shout told you so but remain and ignore the result is not an option for a democratic country.

I agree with your last paragraph, but I'd be staggered if leave got a working majority after a GE. Greater London and Scotland are huge hurdles to overcome, given the prevailing Parliamentary mathematics.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Pathetic is saying i dont get away with this.

What exactly do i personally not get away with?

'You' as in, anyone who embarks on such an ill thought out endeavour & all on both sides however it turns out.

Again typically precious thinking.

 

[blueinsa]

I agree with your last paragraph, but I'd be staggered if leave got a working majority after a GE. Greater London and Scotland are huge hurdles to overcome, given the prevailing Parliamentary mathematics.

It might take several GE over a number of years but i will guarantee that brexit will not go away and as the years go by, the extremes none of us want will gain a foothold.

Get out with a deal now so that the future relationship can be sorted and the country can see what their decision to leave actually looks like going forwards.

Only that future picture can determine if it was correct or not and if it wasn't then rejoin.

Regardless its why we have a democracy and there is nothing that says mistakes are not allowed, even if this doesnt turn out to be one.

No deal leaving of the EU is a shit show, everyone is in agreement i think but we have to get to what the future looks like before anyone can say it was great or shit.

 

[blueinsa]

'You' as in, anyone who embarks on such an ill thought out endeavour & all on both sides however it turns out.

Again typically precious thinking.

So what are you going to do about it?

I was asked to vote, as is my democratic right and given 2 options.

I gave my answer like you did and near as damn it 40 million others did.

I dont expect you to apologise for your vote.

I dont say you wont get away with it because there is nothing to get away with.

Take a look at your own thinking here and language used would be my suggestion.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

That's pathetic tbh.

This situation ends in acrimony, either way. There is no escaping it. The idea was stupid.

This vote has fucked up the country & it isn't going away. Decent chance there are now more of 'us' than there are of 'you' & therefore it probably isn't now democratic & hence why a 2nd referendum is no longer preferable to the leave side when once they wanted one. I don't recognise your right to remove my rights, under a 52% non binding referendum, but as I said, will abide by it, if a negotiated settlement is agreed.

But if we leave or stay doesn't matter, it isn't 'going away'.

It will leave half the country pissed off, then moreso when they realise it then starts again, for years & years.

Then it's likely there starts a movement to rejoin, & as so many leave voters are old, that could soon become more powerful.

It was a very bad idea.

I take your point about it being acrimony either way. It does seem a little convenient to say the least that the only possible solution you can see just happens be what you wanted to happen anyway.

 

[Neville Kneville]

So what are you going to do about it?

I was asked to vote, as is my democratic right and given 2 options.

I gave my answer like you did and near as damn it 40 million others did.

I dont expect you to apologise for your vote.

I dont say you wont get away with it because there is nothing to get away with.

Take a look at your own thinking here and language used would be my suggestion.

I've just fucking explained it to you for fucks sake.

'You' as in NOBODY will get away with this. Leave or remain, it doesn't matter, if you go down this road you end up winning badly or losing badly.

Your side seems to think that leaving will somehow be different, & easier, because it had a narrow majority some years ago.

It all starts again, whether we leave or remain. It will probably get worse as more resentment sets in.

 

[George Hannah]

So what are you going to do about it?
I was asked to vote, as is my democratic right and given 2 options.
I gave my answer like you did and near as damn it 40 million others did.
I dont expect you to apologise for your vote.
I dont say you wont get away with it because there is nothing to get away with.
Take a look at your own thinking here and language used would be my suggestion.

I think 'getting away with' the self-evident truth that the majority verdict of the referendum should be honoured as repeatedly promised, is pretty unlikely with the Remain extremists on here.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

As promised...?

 

[Neville Kneville]

I take your point about it being acrimony either way. It does seem a little convenient to say the least that the only possible solution you can see just happens be what you wanted to happen anyway.

Well all this shit, costing the country billions, families to argue, jobs to be lost, is so far just about the agreement to BEGIN talks.

It will have to be some kind of raging success, to smooth over what happens next. Seeing as even those behind it are now scared to predict that, then how long before we have angry leave voters complaining about being sold a bag of shit, after leaving ?

Does it suit the extreme right & left, to smooth this over afterwards, or is their cause better served by dividing further ?

 

[George Hannah]

As promised...?

Before, during and after the referendum.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Before, during and after the referendum.

Norway it is then.

Much better than May's deal.