Another new Brexit thread

[blueinsa]

So that’s you, blueinsa and MB who would accept it. Myself, NevNev and BJ have all previously said similar. That only leaves the Brextremists like Corporal Jones and 1632 who wouldn’t have it.
Problem is it would need an extension to work out the detail and a government willing to talk to the opposition and to ignore large groups within its own ranks as well as its confidence & supply partners in NI. It would also have the Mail and Express screeching about betrayal and the Tories would be wiped out in the next GE, so Johnson is more likely to use every trick in the book to engineer no deal.
Basically we’re fucked.

No it also leaves the lib dems, the SNP, Change lot, PC etc etc.

Dont ignore those ideologues.

 

[blueinsa]

Protest as much as you want.

Had remain won, nothing would have changed so far as rights etc are concerned. 17 million people voted for 'a change' to their & others lives. Had they lost, nothing new would have been 'done' to them, the result would mean they lost the chance to gamble on 'a change' being to their benefit.

Those who voted remain, or didn't vote, are having it 'done' to them & things taken away.

Many of the 'others' resent it being done to them.

What makes you feel better, a 0-0 draw where City didn't play as well as you would have liked, or a 0-0 draw where City didn't play that well but score in injury time & v.a.r. takes the goal away, with a decision you totally disagree with ?

Its an empty argument im afraid.

Why didn't you all protest pre referendum and refuse to take part stating the above?

You took part knowing the question, knowing the promise of politicians and knowing someone would lose.

That's a democratic vote for you.

I've no issue with remain campaigns btw or your opinion to be clear but i do object to some of your choice of language which is frankly quite personal.

 

[west didsblue]

No it also leaves the lib dems, the SNP, Change lot, PC etc etc.

Dont ignore those ideologues.

The bigger problem is the 75% of Tory MPs who wouldn’t entertain talking to Labour because they’re shit scared of Farage or are closet supporters of him.

 

[blueinsa]

The bigger problem is the 75% of Tory MPs who wouldn’t entertain talking to Labour because they’re shit scared of Farage or are closet supporters of him.

No it isnt.

Look at the indicative votes again.

There is no consensus for anything stopping no deal aside.

Some want to respect the result and leave with a deal, some want to leave with no deal, some want to leave but with their own deal and others just dont want to play ball at all and revoke.

3 years of taking to each other, 3 years!

 

[Neville Kneville]

The EU choice for us (failing cancelling Brexit altogether) we still pay extortionate amounts for access to their market and can't trade independently with countries outside the EU on better terms than they do. That's better?

No, remaining is better.

But seeing as we are all in it purely for ourselves & fuck everyone else, I would prefer you to pay into the EU so I can work there, travel & where I like, when I like so yes.

And Farage said it was fine so it must be ok, as this was his & his Enoch supporting mates' idea.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

What’s the other solution?
Fuck the economy, ignore the GFA or break up the UK. Maybe all three. All current versions of leave will give us at least one of those outcomes. But hey, we voted for it so bring it on.

I'm not sure just prefixing the most extreme opposing view to your own with the word fuck is all that helpful tbh. It's clear now that the only concensus is for the WA with a modified backstop and possibly pics of Swainsons jugs. This avoids no deal, honours the referendum result and has some lovely jubblies to cheer us up during any post brexit apocalypse - I'm all about compromise.

 

[George Hannah]

No, remaining is better.
But seeing as we are all in it purely for ourselves & fuck everyone else, I would prefer you to pay into the EU so I can work there, travel & where I like, when I like so yes.
And Farage said it was fine so it must be ok, as this was his & his Enoch supporting mates' idea.

Remaining as a subordinate province of an undemocratic superstate governed in the economic and political interests of the founding countries?

 

[Neville Kneville]

Its an empty argument im afraid.

Why didn't you all protest pre referendum and refuse to take part stating the above?

You took part knowing the question, knowing the promise of politicians and knowing someone would lose.

That's a democratic vote for you.

I've no issue with remain campaigns btw or your opinion to be clear but i do object to some of your choice of language which is frankly quite personal.

Ah right.

That would jave worked wouldn't it, a protest. Yes it was all my own fault, when I think of it now.

Please don't insult me by presuming I believe for one second that you are genuine with that as a viable option.

And you complain about 'choice language'. This post I'm replying to is as crass & insulting as it gets.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

No, remaining is better.

But seeing as we are all in it purely for ourselves & fuck everyone else, I would prefer you to pay into the EU so I can work there, travel & where I like, when I like so yes.

And Farage said it was fine so it must be ok, as this was his & his Enoch supporting mates' idea.

I will remember that one if Corbyn gets in and puts my tax rate up I will just say fuck it I never voted for him so you are not having anymore

 

[west didsblue]

No it isnt.

Look at the indicative votes again.

There is no consensus for anything stopping no deal aside.

Some want to respect the result and leave with a deal, some want to leave with no deal, some want to leave but with their own deal and others just dont want to play ball at all and revoke.

3 years of taking to each other, 3 years!

I’ve looked at the indicative votes again as you suggested and you’re wrong. It was the Tories that voted down the Norway / customs union type options.
https://ig.ft.com/brexit-second-round-indicative-votes/

 

[Neville Kneville]

Remaining as a subordinate province of an undemocratic superstate governed in the economic and political interests of the founding countries?

Or giving more power to Boris Johnson & Jacob Recce Mogg, with Farage. Or maybe Jeremy Corbyn.

Tough one.

 

[yerwot?]

What if we had a parliament fit for purpose and not just a nodding dog to big business and the tax dodging billionaires ?
What if our government was not so far to the right of Brussels, then remaining would not be so overwhelmingly essential to the vast majority. What if the media was held to account for its trampling on it's charter to be of good faith.
Brexit slant is "half the population (HA fkin HA) would be on the streets rioting" apart from never had near half the population on its side , just bluster and whistling in the dark.Every counter demo to remain marches have been tommy robinson racist klan fests, Maybe apartheidt could work , SA in the UK, remainers as the new blacks , definitely would appeal to some brexits.

 

[Neville Kneville]

I will remember that one if Corbyn gets in and puts my tax rate up I will just say fuck it I never voted for him so you are not having anymore

If you voted leave, you voted to give him more power, so good luck with it all.

 

[blueinsa]

Ah right.

That would jave worked wouldn't it, a protest. Yes it was all my own fault, when I think of it now.

Please don't insult me by presuming I believe for one second that you are genuine with that as a viable option.

And you complain about 'choice language'. This post I'm replying to is as crass & insulting as it gets.

I'm going to leave it there for the day with you mate, no point in going on as argument on here isn't changing anything.

Neither of us are changing our minds on this, ever.

 

[Neville Kneville]

I'm going to leave it there for the day with you mate, no point in going on as argument on here isn't changing anything.

Neither of us are changing our minds on this, ever.

Absolutely true.

When you are older you may see me celebrating our return to the EU, with Farage's head on a pole.

 

[blueinsa]

I’ve looked at the indicative votes again as you suggested and you’re wrong. It was the Tories that voted down the Norway / customs union type options.
https://ig.ft.com/brexit-second-round-indicative-votes/

Along with others of all parties and helped by ridiculous numbers of abstentions.

Every single vote the same.

All good at telling us what they wont accept but none of them able to tell us what they will.

 

[blueinsa]

Absolutely true.

When you are older you may see me celebrating our return to the EU, with Farage's head on a pole.

I'm 49 next so no spring chicken and i know its rhetoric and not meant but peoples heads on spikes isn't a great narrative given we have had an MP murdered.

Best way of silencing the prick and yes i agree with him on the EU and us leaving it but fuck all else, trust me is for us to leave and deprive him of his oxygen that is us remaining.

As things stand the BP is about to win seats at the next GE and for one reason only.

 

[west didsblue]

As things stand the BP is about to win seats at the next GE and for one reason only.

Because people like you will vote for them.

 

[blueinsa]

Because people like you will vote for them.

yes I will if i think its the only way the result of the ref will be respected by being carried out and i wont apologise for doing so.

many Labour and Tory remain voters will turn to the lib dems in similar fashion because its a means to an end.

My point stands.

This parliament needs to get brexit done so that voting for them isnt ever an option.

 

[mcfc1632]

Of course he’s going to say a deal can be done. He doesn't want the EU blamed when it fails. The only deal possible is May’s deal with a few tweaks. Anyone thinking otherwise needs to get a grip.
And of course I want an outcome acceptable to the majority that doesn’t screw the economy, keeps the peace in NI and doesn’t risk breaking up the union. I’ve seen no sign of anything near that.
The five possible outcomes on 31 Oct, in order of likelihood imo are:
1. Extension requested and agreed.
2. Extension requested, refused and UK revokes.
3. May like Deal agreed and extension agreed for ratification vote.
4. Leave with No Deal.
5. Leave with Deal acceptable to the EU and Parliament.
I’d put 5 at less than 1% however positive our attitudes are.

That you make No. 5 < 1% is interesting - and you may well be right if the sycophants get their way on no-deal being thrown-away

But the idea is surely to simply secure EU agreement to the backstop being formally fettered, either explicitly in the WA or effectively in the PD with the intention being to end the transition period with agreement on alternative arrangements or, if that fails, a border down the Irish sea

Put that to parliament towards the end of October and if Labour vote it down then go to a GE with them clearly being 'the bad guys', win a majority and then sort it out, either my signing off on the 'new WA' or (depending on the size of the majority) reopening negotiations with the EU for a short / focussed period