Another new Brexit thread

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mcfc1632 said:
That you make No. 5 < 1% is interesting - and you may well be right if the sycophants get their way on no-deal being thrown-away

But the idea is surely to simply secure EU agreement to the backstop being formally fettered, either explicitly in the WA or effectively in the PD with the intention being to end the transition period with agreement on alternative arrangements or, if that fails, a border down the Irish sea

Put that to parliament towards the end of October and if Labour vote it down then go to a GE with them clearly being 'the bad guys', win a majority and then sort it out, either my signing off on the 'new WA' or (depending on the size of the majority) reopening negotiations with the EU for a short / focussed period
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Someone would table an amendment calling for a ratification vote, then it’ll sail through Parliament. Done deal.
 
mcfc1632 said:
I think that what you are saying really is a version of

"We will not see movement from the EU unless and until they are faced with the prospect of a viable walk-away option and the political will to use it."

They want us to Remain - why would they make any move before they face a situation worse (no-deal) than just this ongoing farce.

You, BobK and other make the EU out to be some outstandingly powerful set of negotiators - TBF I do think that they have been very professional - but they have not had to do fuck all so far - their sycophants have done their work for them and undermined the UK's position throughout.

Should they face the prospect of a no-deal - we will see just how resolute they really are
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Absolutely not. Using No Deal as a bargaining chip is delusional for all the reasons regularly repeated on here.
 
blueinsa said:
It did.

Leave the EU.

I know you think that's somewhat confusing but i didn't and still dont now.

Scots will go again soon enough and it will once again be remain in the UK or leave the UK.

My guess is the SNP will think its very clear if they win.
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I am (sort of) looking forward to a vote by Scotland to leave the UK (spoiler: they will not if we have already genuinely left the EU) - but anyway, just for the giggles.

So - step 1 they vote to Leave

Step 2, we, having learned from the experts, agree that first and foremost there has to be a WA and settlement on minor matters such as percentage of debt

Step 3, there is a protracted period of time during which all these issues of economic factors, such as level of trade with nearest market - percentage of trade that exists/is dependent on the UK etc. are made massive issues

Step 4, then we have a lot of discussions about the border issue - certainly not the UK's fucking problem is it. Whoo - what would the EU/Scotland do?

and so and so forth

(spoiler: it would not get to step 2)

Would be funny though if Scotland played hard-ball and threatened a 'no-deal' - best not let the rest of the UK be involved in a vote!!!

Just joking BTW
 
mcfc1632 said:
I am (sort of) looking forward to a vote by Scotland to leave the UK (spoiler: they will not if we have already genuinely left the EU) - but anyway, just for the giggles.

So - step 1 they vote to Leave

Step 2, we, having learned from the experts, agree that first and foremost there has to be a WA and settlement on minor matters such as percentage of debt

Step 3, there is a protracted period of time during which all these issues of economic factors, such as level of trade with nearest market - percentage of trade that exists/is dependent on the UK etc. are made massive issues

Step 4, then we have a lot of discussions about the border issue - certainly not the UK's fucking problem is it. Whoo - what would the EU/Scotland do?

and so and so forth

(spoiler: it would not get to step 2)

Would be funny though if Scotland played hard-ball and threatened a 'no-deal' - best not let the rest of the UK be involved in a vote!!!

Just joking BTW
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A border would be a pain in the arse, but saying that when we played Celtic in the CL I had to take my passport to get my ticket
 
blueinsa said:
Agree completely but their friends in our parliament have taken no deal off the table.
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We know what they have done to the detriment of the UK's interests

They know what they have done to the detriment of the UK's interests

Only the deniers on here 'claim' to not know the inconvenient truths
 
Rascal said:
A border would be a pain in the arse, but saying that when we played Celtic in the CL I had to take my passport to get my ticket
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Now - that was a pain for you on that one occasion - imagine the pain for Scotland on all matters of trade and tourism...….;-)
 
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Didsbury Dave said:
Its like a clown convention on this thread this afternoon. All pedalling furiously with your massive shoes on your little bikes, parping your horns in tandem and clapping each other like seals.
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All done for your personal delectation and delight of course
 
mcfc1632 said:
Now - that was a pain for you on that one occasion - imagine the pain for Scotland on all matter of trade and tourism...….;-)
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I suppose you could apply that argument to the whole EU debate.

If the UK does splinter, it will create difficulties, no longer would I be able to my mam to Llandudno, she aint got a passport
 
Rascal said:
I suppose you could apply that argument to the whole EU debate.

If the UK does splinter, it will create difficulties, no longer would I be able to my mam to Llandudno, she aint got a passport
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Oh I do - but a bit different to how you are thinking - bear with me.......

On here there are posters that bang on about how the UK leaving the EU will be sooooo disastrous - using importance of trading with major and closet markets as being key, amongst other such factors......

Yet,

The same people scream that Scotland will leave the UK if the UK has previously left the EU

So, think it through....

Given that all the arguments they use in 2016-2019 re the Uk and the EU would be many times more significant when set against the UK and Scotland scenario….

The question I suggest that people need to ask is are they being :

A) Inconsistent and disingenuous

B) Deliberately fabricating or

C) are some of them just proving that they post without any ability to analyse - so just basically spouting in ignorance

Just my personal speculation - but my prediction would be:

A) 15%

B) 30%

C) 100% - based on the fact that a lot just seem to neeeeed to follow their 'heroes' on here who must be 'so knowledgeable' - but who are really just in categories A) and B)
 
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mcfc1632 said:
Oh I do - but a bit different to how you are thinking -n bear with me.......

On here there are posters that bang on about how the UK leaving the EU will be sooooo disastrous - using importance of trading with major and closet markets as being key, amongst other such factors......

Yet,

The same people scream that Scotland will leave the UK if the UK has previously left the EU

So, think it through....

Given that all the arguments they use in 2016-2019 re the Uk and the EU would be many times more significant when set against the UK and Scotland….

The question you need to ask is are they being :

A) Inconsistent and disingenuous

B) deliberately fabricating or

C) just proving that they post without any ability to analyse - so just basically spouting in ignorance

Just my personal speculation - but my prediction would be:

A) 15%

B) 30%

C) 100% - based on the fact that a lot just seem to neeeeed to follow their 'heroes' on here who must be 'so knowledgeable' - but who are really just in categories A) and B)
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Its a fair point, personally I think Scotland should be independent, if that is the democratic outcome I have no issue with it, as I have no issue with leaving the EU because of the democratic outcome.

The problem is though is its an emotive issue and as Brexit has become an issue based on emotion, so would Scotland leaving. The fact we have been in union with Scotland, share a currency, a monarch, a language, even drive on the same side of the road, for over 300 years means we are far more intertwined with Scotland than we are with the EU on an emotions basis.

That emotion is difficult to categorise because we are so intertwined, I would have thought the overwhelming majority have Scottish friends, a lot will have Scottish relatives, far more so than we have EU friends and relatives. That reason alone may be an underlying reason for differing opinions on either subject.

You could even turn it round and say, I am a believer Greater Manchester should leave England and be a state in its own right. How many people who support leaving the EU would support that? Would there be people who voted to remain in the EU who would vote for Greater Manchester to leave England? It would become an emotive issue.

Or maybe they could just be a mix of A, B and C
 
mcfc1632 said:
You still insist on 'regularly repeating' that you do not have a clue about how these things work

Not a problem - you are not alone
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I have more of a clue than you. But then so does practically everyone else on the forum.
Your analysis of the Scotland independence issue is absolutely laughable. If it was anyone else I’d explain why but for you I would be wasting my time.
 
Sky Press review tonight

Telegraph says Labour torn apart by Brexit

Two talking heads ( supposedly Ying and Yang to give fairness) agree

ORRRRR...anti Labour, anti Corbyn Pro Brexit Right Wing papers trashes Labour and Corbyn...............and that is somehow objective .........fuck Corbyn must be within an ace of beating Bozo the Clown...........
 
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