Bernardo Silva tweet controversy

[Franny's toilet roll]

Move on.
Seriously, we have to be able to make distinctions between an innocent joke and actual racism. Chelsea-fans shouting the n-word at Sterling – THAT is a real problem, this isn't. But unfortunately politically correct people will always exist in this crazy world and will continue to make a big deal out of just about anything.

Agree 100% Strike

 

[Silvatoure21]

Yes, but since we're in the work place, I don't really have to put up with listening to racially abusive language, so if it happened again, I'd probably report it. I really don't think I'm saying anything remotely controversial here.

If we were at bar somewhere, I wouldn't even bother confronting that person. I'd walk away.

This I will at least agree with. If it’s in the workplace and you’ve already said you were uncomfortable with those jokes, and the guy keeps telling them, then reporting him is appropriate, but a first time offense like Bernardo’s is not warranting punishment, especially when mbappe and Mendy himself laugh it off.

 

[Vialli98]

But those thoughts, in today’s age create an unnecessary outrage because they’re offended and we’re all so scared at offending people even though nothing actually happens when you’re offended. If people remained offended and BSilva kept his tweet up and told everyone, “ok” at being offended the entire planet would be outraged but...why

I accept that there are lots of people not acting in good faith on Twitterz who are the to instigate outrage at every possible chance, by and large, at least on my timeline, it's mostly just people reacting to what they see.

Free speech does not mean free from consequence, so just as Bernardo is within his rights to put up a racially insensitive joke on his social media, people are within their rights to have an opinion about it.

 

[Silvatoure21]

If opposition fans had a banner raised with that picture on there targeting one of our players during a game, would any of you have a problem with it? I know I would. I don't believe Bernardo is a racist, but for goodness sake, in today's climate, it is simply irresponsible. Like it or not, footballers are global celebrities and a lot of kids look up to them. That kind of banter should be done in private if not at all. Even in private, such jokes are made and the target often laughs ostensibly but deep down, it can be hurtful. Racism has a painful history to some of us and such comments in light of the challenges we are still facing with this issue in society, is simply irresponsible and inconsiderate at best.

Dumb comparison when the context of those two incidents are completely different. Context is so important in these discussions

 

[Fast Forward To The Past]

I make racist jokes to my black mates all the time. It's probably one of most un-racist things there is but something that is clearly not understood by the nutters pretending to have the moral high-ground.
Bernardo is kind of makeing fun of the "racist trope" itself and in a sane world that should be perfectly acceptable.
In any case, he will now be sent to indoctrination camp to be "re-educated" by shadowy figures who are obsessed with race and human differences. The irony...
Being offended is a choice. And a profitable one for some.

 

[Vialli98]

You should watch that Ronson TED Talk video.

Cool. I'll check it out and get back to you.

 

[TINY]

Move on.
Seriously, we have to be able to make distinctions between an innocent joke and actual racism. Chelsea-fans shouting the n-word at Sterling – THAT is a real problem, this isn't. But unfortunately politically correct people will always exist in this crazy world and will continue to make a big deal out of just about anything.

What he said

Sorry mate if you don’t identify as a he, I didn’t mean to cause offence, neither did I with the word mate, it’s just a turn of phrase I use often when referring to a male counterpart, and right now I don’t know if you’re male or female but I’ve made an assumption based on nothing. Forgive me. If you want me to delete this message I will, don’t be offended. PM if needed.

 

[TINY]

I accept that there are lots of people not acting in good faith on Twitterz who are the to instigate outrage at every possible chance, by and large, at least on my timeline, it's mostly just people reacting to what they see.

Free speech does not mean free from consequence, so just as Bernardo is within his rights to put up a racially insensitive joke on his social media, people are within their rights to have an opinion about it.

Opinions I’m all for, have an opinion, it doesn’t change anything but opinionated people are welcome on social media of course!

What I don’t get, and maybe it’s an education thing but what was racist about that tweet? I don’t see any discrimination or prejudice.

 

[Vialli98]

This I will at least agree with. If it’s in the workplace and you’ve already said you were uncomfortable with those jokes, and the guy keeps telling them, then reporting him is appropriate, but a first time offense like Bernardo’s is not warranting punishment, especially when mbappe and Mendy himself laugh it off.

Yeah, I have no interest in seeing Bernardo suspended or fined, especially considering it wasn't outright racist abuse and the lack of any malicious intent.

 

[Brightwell’s left peg]

If someone calls you racist for no reason, then ofcourse I would be offended. I have white friends who were called racists because of the way they spoke to me and it pissed me off. But I also understood that someone of my color has the right to get offended because of the things they heard.
BTW, no one here has said Silva is racist. People are saying he is just dumb to post it on twitter. So not sure why you are pulling up racism here.

Listen Roy. I’m pulling up people taking offence. I’m not the one who raised the racism card...that was Vialli98 who accused me of being a racist because I don’t care for people getting offended.

 

[BosnianBlue]

As a Bosnian, I’m sure you will....and in good company, too, no doubt!

what's that supposed to mean, lol

Should I be offended?

 

[gouldybob]

But unfortunately politically correct people will continue to make a big deal out of just about anything.

That's one of the problems with this obsession with social media. Someone is always offended and then wants a virtual cuddle. A pig in lipstick wants validation "you look wonderful Babe" from people they don't know and don't really matter.

Instagram, twitter, facef×ck and all the rest switch them off, the supplier and the reader are just to needy. One big advert selling what you don't need

 

[Vialli98]

Opinions I’m all for, have an opinion, it doesn’t change anything but opinionated people are welcome on social media of course!

What I don’t get, and maybe it’s an education thing but what was racist about that tweet? I don’t see any discrimination or prejudice.

Images like that have historically been used ridicule and caricature black people. It's really not much different to posting a picture of Mendy next to a picture of a monkey in the name of friendly banter.

 

[goatfood]

If Bernardo had tweeted an image of Sergio along with a pic of the cartoon character Kun would there be this fuss????....just asking seeing as tho the FA have sanctioned Kun Aguero on the back of his shirt since he signed for us.

 

[BosnianBlue]

@roy.or.r mentioned one thing that I completely agree with. The one with his example of his friend making jokes aboout his nationality and color and him being not completely fine with it but deciding to take it on the chin and he questioned if Mendy really likes it. I don't think Mendy is bothered because he really has that clown character and doesn't give a fuck about offending someone or being offended by banter, but it's legit question.

i used to live in Croatia, actually was born there, and as a Muslim, I had fair few of those joking vibes about some of my religious stuff. For some of them I knew they were said to look like a joke, but had half of truth and malignancy in it, but often were not completely over the line for me to make a fuss about it. but for more than once I wasn't completely comfortable and still decided to not escalate the issue eventually. It' bit of autocensorship and I should be in no position to do that.

I definitely don't think there is one iota malignancy in Silva's tweet, as I'm aware what kind of relations these two have, but people who don't see potential in this to be a problematic one are wither not serious or never were in some not comfortable situations. It was pretty naive thing to do publicly, no matter what their relations are and since both of them are working and living in society where it is pretty unacceptable, I don't see any problem for Bernardo to get bit educated. It' better for him, it's better for club. Absolutely no bans or fines are needed, but bit of education what is acceptable or not won't hurt anyone.

I'd rather to see people complaining about political correctness going to far, than to go back in times where everything was allowed. Specially in football where all kind of low emotions are being expressed more easy than in some other parts of society.

 

[Vialli98]

Anyway, it's clear where I stand on the issue. I don't mean to derail the thread anymore than I already have. I'll see myself out and back to the Chelsea thread. Thanks to those who engaged with me in good faith.

 

[TINY]

Images like that have historically been used ridicule and caricature black people. It's really not much different to posting a picture of Mendy next to a picture of a monkey in the name of friendly banter.

But...it is different

 

[Vialli98]

Listen Roy. I’m pulling up people taking offence. I’m not the one who raised the racism card...that was Vialli98 who accused me of being a racist because I don’t care for people getting offended.

The "you" in my response to you wasn't literally aimed at you. It was aimed at those who wish to say racially insensitive and/or abusive things with impunity.

Edit: i'm really out now. I can't be any clearer about where I stand. There are now several pages with my views.

 

[cityontheup]

I mentioned this on the earlier thread that got pulled..On an episode of Corrie a couple of years ago an Asian character called a white female character ‘white trash’..now that is racist and given the recent cases of child grooming by groups of Asian men also an indication of how these groups treat young white girls. How was this not deemed racist at the time? Where were all these politically correct arseholes then?

 

[its grim up north]

Don't know if it's been brought up but let's talk Sergio, or "Kun" Aguero, Kun is the name of a Japanese cartoon character who Sergios' Grandad said he had look of when he was little. So Sergios' Grandad is a racist, or maybe its just a bit of fun between Grandad and Grandson.