Another new Brexit thread

[The perfect fumble]

Brexit party throwing Cummings under a bus, they see this as their moment! Boris so wounded he's going to have to call Farage and eat shit.

Or so they hope...

Richard Tice, chairman of the Brexit Party, tells the BBC that today's decision is "seismic, historic" but MPs must think about what happens next.

"As soon as Parliament is recalled tomorrow, Boris Johnson is probably going to have to offer his resignation," he says.

"There may well be a vote of no confidence."

He says the public must now realise that "we're not leaving the EU on 31 October".

"There will have to be an extension. When that penny drops, people are going to be increasingly angry across the country," he says.

Mr Tice says there will probably have to be an election in the first half of November.

"What does it say about the so-called master strategist Dominic Cummings? I trust he will be offering his resignation today."

First half of November!?....Fuck off.

 

[blueinsa]

I don't see how it can do. The Leave campaign broke the law. What today's decision establishes is that there is no prospect of a criminal conviction against either Leave EU or Aaron Banks, just as the announcement last month establishes that despite the breaches of Electoral law for which the leave campaign was fined a record sum, there was no prospect of a conviction against any of the individuals involved. Doesn't mean that the law wasn't broken.

The leave campaign broke election spending rules and got fined for it, as did various remain campaigns.

They did not break the law as seen by both the Met and now NCA saying there is no evidence that the law was broken.

No evidence is pretty clear unless you want us to live in a country where an accusation without evidence is enough to condemn?

Brexit campaigner Arron Banks investigation dropped by National Crime Agency
http://news.sky.com/story/brexit-ca...ion-dropped-by-national-crime-agency-11818346

 

[Chris in London]

The leave campaign broke election spending rules and got fined for it, as did various remain campaigns.

They did not break the law as seen by both the Met and now NCA saying there is no evidence that the law was broken.

No evidence is pretty clear unless you want us to live in a country where an accusation without evidence is enough to condemn?

Brexit campaigner Arron Banks investigation dropped by National Crime Agency
http://news.sky.com/story/brexit-ca...ion-dropped-by-national-crime-agency-11818346

Election spending rules are the law, they were set in the same legislation that established the referendum in the first place

 

[blueinsa]

Election spending rules are the law, they were set in the same legislation that established the referendum in the first place

Then remain broke the same law yes given they too where fined?

This investigation went beyond that though didn't it and no evidence was found.

 

[Chris in London]

Then remain broke the same law yes given they too where fined?

This investigation went beyond that though didn't it and no evidence was found.

different investigation, aimed at a different matter.

Spin this how you like, it doesn't change the fact that the official Leave campaign broke the law in the referendum campaign.

 

[blueinsa]

different investigation, aimed at a different matter.

Spin this how you like, it doesn't change the fact that the official Leave campaign broke the law in the referendum campaign.

I know they did.

So too did the remain campaign.

Do you except that or will you continue to spin?

 

[dave_blue12]

Brexit: 'No evidence' of crimes by Leave.EU and Arron Banks https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49807401

And the response of the EC

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/statement-following-national-crime-agencys-announcement

 

[Chris in London]

I know they did.

So too did the remain campaign.

Do you except that or will you continue to spin?

never said they didn't but the degree of culpability is nowhere near equivalent. read the electoral commission's decisions and say with a straight face they are comparable.

 

[blueinsa]

never said they didn't but the degree of culpability is nowhere near equivalent. read the electoral commission's decisions and say with a straight face they are comparable.

They are comparable.

You dont want them to be so will let your own bias tell you they are not but they are.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

never said they didn't but the degree of culpability is nowhere near equivalent. read the electoral commission's decisions and say with a straight face they are comparable.

So leave lies worse than remain lies, and leave funding worse than £9m pissed up the wall on remain leaflet? Both sides of the campaign were a shower of shite.

 

[blueinsa]

And the response of the EC

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/statement-following-national-crime-agencys-announcement

He broke no law is what it says.

They say they have concerns which suggests they want new law which i am fine with.

Doesn't alter the fact he broke no law.

Maybe its time to accept that and admit you got it wrong Dave?

 

[Chris in London]

So leave lies worse than remain lies, and leave funding worse than £9m pissed up the wall on remain leaflet? Both sides of the campaign were a shower of shite.

I said nothing about lies, I was refuting the suggestion (plainly wrong as it was) that the leave campaign was not unlawful.

The leaflet was lawful. The £1/2m extra the leave campaign spent above the £7m limit imposed by parliament was not.

 

[Chris in London]

They are comparable.

You dont want them to be so will let your own bias tell you they are not but they are.

They are in no way shape or form comparable.

You want them to be so will let your own bias tell you they are but they are not.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Your Brexit's going really well, fellas. Thanks a lot for ticking that box in 2016 and sorting out the country's problems and getting us back to being a great nation again.

It's incredible 3 years later to think that us remain scaremongers said it would be a disaster. What did we know, eh? We should have listened to Banks, Mogg, Johnson, Neil Warnock and Geoff Boycott all along.

 

[blueinsa]

Your Brexit's going really well, fellas. Thanks a lot for ticking that box in 2016 and sorting out the country's problems and getting us back to being a great nation again.

It's incredible 3 years later to think that us remain scaremongers said it would be a disaster. What did we know, eh? We should have listened to Banks, Mogg, Johnson, Neil Warnock and Geoff Boycott all along.

You're welcome mate.

Couple of skirmishes being won so congratulations but the war will eventually be won ;-)

Boycott pmsl.

 

[dave_blue12]

He broke no law is what it says.

They say they have concerns which suggests they want new law which i am fine with.

Doesn't alter the fact he broke no law.

Maybe its time to accept that and admit you got it wrong Dave?

It seems Banks or more probably those that are running him haved boxed clever and circumvented the law.

As for me 'getting it wrong'', I'm always happy to admit but on this occasion it's not so simple.

The EC would not be advocating stronger laws if Banks and associates had acted properly.

 

[blueinsa]

It seems Banks or more probably those that are running him haved boxed clever and circumvented the law.

As for me 'getting it wrong'', I'm always happy to admit but on this occasion it's not so simple.

The EC would not be advocating stronger laws if Banks and associates had acted properly.

That like you standing outside my door and after an investigation and being rightly found to have done fuck all wrong me then saying well maybe the law should change lol.

 

[Vic]

So the NCA say they've not received any evidence to suggest that Mr Banks and his companies received funding from any third party to fund the loans, or that he acted as an agent on behalf of a third party. The EC still implying that he did.

So does that mean Banks had lots of his own money in his shell company and borrowed his own money? When is he repaying the loans?

However it's yesterday's news.

A PM getting the queen to act unlawfully is rather more of a current issue.

 

[Vic]

So Corbyn's conference speech tomorrow at noon. Straight back to London and into the Commons...

Nah, the liar will have them back at noon so Corbyn will miss his speech. Oh wait - Corbyn will then give his speech in Parliament....

Latest: Speaker orders "resumption" of Parliament at 11.30 a.m.!

 

[dave_blue12]

That like you standing outside my door and after an investigation and being rightly found to have done fuck all wrong me then saying well maybe the law should change lol.

I know you'd like the world to be as simple as you but I'm afraid it isn't