Prorogation - Judgment Day:10.30am Tuesday 24/9/19

blueparrot said:
We will,then we'll have a referendum on a deal v remain. Wait and see.
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Cool.

leave wins and you can all pretend it didn't happen and remain wins and you can roll out will of the people and its over with.
 
hgblue said:
The stage is being set, People versus the establishment, with the Tories standing up for the wishes of the people.
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west didsblue said:
The Tories ARE the establishment. To think differently is just bizarre.
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Yes find it quite amusing that the establishment are setting themselves against the establishment. The worrying part about it is that many people will believe it. As you say West DidsburyBlue 'bizarre'.
 
blueinsa said:
Cool.

leave wins and you can all pretend it didn't happen and remain wins and you can roll out will of the people and its over with.
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My preferred option Remain wins and a Leave dominated Parliament is then returned which ignores the result and leaves anyway, pointing to a previous Parliament as precedent.
 
hgblue said:
My preferred option Remain wins and a Leave dominated Parliament is then returned which ignores the result and leaves anyway, pointing to a previous Parliament as precedent.
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Whilst it would be funny, it shouldn't happen and we shouldn't resort to the same tactics mate.

If remain wins we stay.

If remain parties gain a majority after a GE then we should remain.

I wont bother explaining what happens if leave wins as we will just be back to where we are now with the democrats not being very democratic.
 
blueinsa said:
Cool.

leave wins and you can all pretend it didn't happen and remain wins and you can roll out will of the people and its over with.
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As we mentioned earlier @blueinsa the sad part is this is not going to go away any time soon no matter what happens. This is going to rumble on for many, many years to come. I love this country but if I could afford to go live somewhere else I would.
 
This ex supreme court judge says today, to the BBC what we all know.
Apologies if previously posted.

https://order-order.com/2019/09/25/former-supreme-court-judge-says-52-cant-brexit/

So 52% don't get the 'Spoils.'
It must therefore follow, that if remain had won, then we should have left some of the EU, logically, about 48% of it,
using his yardstick.
I'm sure that those who voted to remain would have no problem with this.
 
George Hannah said:
Your continued personal abuse is simply an indication of your inability to argue your case rationally. A GE before 31 October would have allowed the country to mandate a Brexit with or without a deal before that date, a later one will still allow the same mandate with a later date. Do you not understand this simple reality?
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You started it by calling me a pillock you pillock.

No it doesn’t, it’s a trap to force through no deal. Every man and his dog knows this, including parties in the opposition who have more to gain in a GE before that date, such as the LibDems.

Don’t get your knickers in a twist because no one has fallen for the stupidest and most obvious scheme in history.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
This ex supreme court judge says today, to the BBC what we all know.
Apologies if previously posted.

https://order-order.com/2019/09/25/former-supreme-court-judge-says-52-cant-brexit/

So 52% don't get the 'Spoils.'
It must therefore follow, that if remain had won, then we should have left some of the EU, logically, about 48% of it,
using his yardstick.
I'm sure that those who voted to remain would have no problem with this.
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Next we will have a court case saying its only fair that 52% of a party that won the by-election dont get all of the spoils and the constituency should really be shared.

Maybe a rota system of government, week on, week off? Share it like so no one has all the spoils?

The country has lost its minds and democracy.
 
blueinsa said:
Whilst it would be funny, it shouldn't happen and we shouldn't resort to the same tactics mate.

If remain wins we stay.

If remain parties gain a majority after a GE then we should remain.

I wont bother explaining what happens if leave wins as we will just be back to where we are now with the democrats not being very democratic.
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Would be interesting to see if Remainers were still staunch ‘defenders of Parliamentary sovereignty’ if it wasn’t conveniently doing what they wanted. I can’t prove it but I suspect they’re talking bollocks ;)
 
hgblue said:
Would be interesting to see if Remainers were still staunch ‘defenders of Parliamentary sovereignty’ if it wasn’t conveniently doing what they wanted. I can’t prove it but I suspect they’re talking bollocks ;)
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Hate to be a sceptic but i think you are absolutely right.
 
hgblue said:
Would be interesting to see if Remainers were still staunch ‘defenders of Parliamentary sovereignty’ if it wasn’t conveniently doing what they wanted. I can’t prove it but I suspect they’re talking bollocks ;)
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The stinking hypocrisy of this is outstanding.

You’re all arguing against parliamentary democracy and are making light of the fact that the first Prime Minister in history has broken the law to shut down our sovereign parliament.

Now you’re suggesting we would be doing the same if it was against us?

As a remainer I would have accepted any of the indicative votes that passed through the house. That is UK democracy.
 
blueinsa said:
Next we will have a court case saying its only fair that 52% of a party that won the by-election dont get all of the spoils and the constituency should really be shared.

Maybe a rota system of government, week on, week off? Share it like so no one has all the spoils?

The country has lost its minds and democracy.
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Basically yes, PR whether you want it or not.
We don't, but that's now irrelevant, what we want and vote for in the hope of it being delivered, doesn't now happen.
 
hgblue said:
Would be interesting to see if Remainers were still staunch ‘defenders of Parliamentary sovereignty’ if it wasn’t conveniently doing what they wanted. I can’t prove it but I suspect they’re talking bollocks ;)
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Well as a European i always expressed to respect the choice of leave but that i thought it would be better to remain. Basicly most Europeans already accepted we lost you, all we can do is hold everyone in the Uk to equal standards. If so then from my perspective "Boris lost a big one". Brexiteers won the vote, but May and Boris lost their majority in parliament ad Boris was put to sham by parliament and justice. It's not our bussiness to tell you have to run youre parliament or judiciary, but all we can say is that obviously "its consistent with how it appears to be done in the UK". We can only watch and see what Britain wants by its own rules and methods, the answer remains opaque i must say.

Which is basicly saying something of the lines of: from a 3rd outside or no partisan perspective the UK perfectly has a right to leave and Bojo is being an idiot that rightfully is getting shamed.
 
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