Prorogation - Judgment Day:10.30am Tuesday 24/9/19

[FlemishDuck]

Ha, yes, admittedly we've been here before!

But I don't think they'd need to go anywhere near as centrist as Blair was to win now. Just compromise on some of the more extreme policies that will NEVER appeal to a broad section of voters.

May i ask, what are the Labour policies that are typical viewed as too radical for them to gain sufficient support?

 

[worsleyweb]

May i ask, what are the Labour policies that are typical viewed as too radical for them to gain sufficient support?

Closing all private schools is one
Getting rid of Trident.
A 32 hour working week!
High Taxes on companies
Garden Tax
Scrap prescription charges
Free movement of people.
Right to buy - private housing tenants - aka theft.

Off the top of my head.

Crazy communist ideas to the vast majority and not going to work!

 

[Rascal]

Closing all private schools is one.
Getting rid of Trident.
A 32 hour working week!
High Taxes on companies
Garden Tax

Off the top of my head.

None of which are policies.

 

[worsleyweb]

None of which are policies.

Where they not all promised at the Labour Party conference before it was cut short! I think they were.

 

[FlemishDuck]

In regards to private schools, there are practicly none in Belgium, it's practicly all funded by the goverment. In Belgian schools there is typically no requirement for a uniform though. When i see Britisch schools who tend to be private i guess they practicly always are uniformed? Why still hold to such an ancient thing like requiring pupils to wear (and pay for) a uniform?

 

[blueinsa]

In regards to private schools, there are practicly none in Belgium, it's practicly all funded by the goverment. In Belgian schools there is typically no requirement for a uniform though. When i see Britisch schools who tend to be private i guess they practicly always are uniformed? Why still hold to such an ancient thing like requiring pupils to wear (and pay for) a uniform?

Majority of schools are uniformed, regardless in the UK.

Gives kids a sense of identity and pride.

 

[Rascal]

Where they not all promised at the Labour Party conference before it was cut short! I think they were.

No, they were motions put to conference.

A manifesto may or may not include some or none of them because of events.

 

[FlemishDuck]

Gives kids a sense of identity and pride.

Does it REALLY?

If you'd hold a referendum among students in the UK, would they decide to do away with it you think? Or vote for it?

I'm asking because we Belgians don't wear school uniforms since like decades ago and everybody here seems to be of the idea "uniforms sucked".

And especially in terms of identity ... it's kinda conformist isn't it? Aka don't stand out?

 

[worsleyweb]

Does it REALLY?

If you'd hold a referendum among students in the UK, would they decide to do away with it you think? Or vote for it?

I'm asking because we Belgians don't wear school uniforms since like decades ago and everybody here seems to be of the idea "uniforms sucked".

And especially in terms of identity ... it's kinda conformist isn't it? Aka don't stand out?

Saves parents moves by not having to buy tonnes of clothes. It’s a very positive thing in my opinion.

 

[FlemishDuck]

Saves parents moves by not having to buy tonnes of clothes. It’s a very positive thing in my opinion.

I think there are some parents here of Britisch school children. Do they think it's convenient? I wager they might not, these things need to be washed so they often come with extra's and there is even variation for use?

 

[The perfect fumble]

Majority of schools are uniformed, regardless in the UK.

Gives kids a sense of identity and pride.

Not if their parents can't afford it.

 

[Rascal]

In regards to private schools, there are practicly none in Belgium, it's practicly all funded by the goverment. In Belgian schools there is typically no requirement for a uniform though. When i see Britisch schools who tend to be private i guess they practicly always are uniformed? Why still hold to such an ancient thing like requiring pupils to wear (and pay for) a uniform?

Authoritarian instruction, needed for the days when we fought wars all over the planet. Uniform wearing at school, paved the way for uniform wearing in battle. A natural progression for a nation intent on imperialistic conquering of the planet. The freedom of expression is muted and the typical British stiff upper lip mentality is imbued into the pupils at a very young age. It is the mental conditioning need for a war like nation. Now it is more tradition and the British love a bit of tradition as it is largely a small c conservative nation.

A school uniform is also indicitive of the British class system and the old school tie network is still at large. State schools are deferential to the old Public Schools and try to emulate them by having uniforms that help create their own alma mater. Many things in British life hark back to the days of deference to the Lord of the Manor. Even some simple things. When Capability Brown the great landscape gardener started create gardens at the great country houses, the working class in their deference to what is called "front of house" would highly polish their front door steps as they saw it is a sign of nobility.

 

[AlexWilliamsGloves]

Not if their parents can't afford it.

School uniforms give a level playing field for all...there is no sense of competition/bullying between the kids (families) who cannot afford the latest trendiest clothes

 

[blueinsa]

Does it REALLY?

Yes, really it does.

try sending my 2 to primary school in the morning without full uniform on and school emblems and badges...

Not a chance.

We grew up wearing uniform, had zero issue in doing so and our kids the same.

 

[blueinsa]

Authoritarian instruction, needed for the days when we fought wars all over the planet. Uniform wearing at school, paved the way for uniform wearing in battle. A natural progression for a nation intent on imperialistic conquering of the planet. The freedom of expression is muted and the typical British stiff upper lip mentality is imbued into the pupils at a very young age. It is the mental conditioning need for a war like nation. Now it is more tradition and the British love a bit of tradition as it is largely a small c conservative nation.

A school uniform is also indicitive of the British class system and the old school tie network is still at large. State schools are deferential to the old Public Schools and try to emulate them by having uniforms that help create their own alma mater. Many things in British life hark back to the days of deference to the Lord of the Manor. Even some simple things. When Capability Brown the great landscape gardener started create gardens at the great country houses, the working class in their deference to what is called "front of house" would highly polish their front door steps as they saw it is a sign of nobility.

lol state of this.

 

[remember arthur mann]

Anyway, back to prorogation, Boris should go the way of Charley 1st !

 

[The perfect fumble]

School uniforms give a level playing field for all...there is no sense of competition/bullying between the kids (families) who cannot afford the latest trendiest clothes

You and I clearly have different life experiences.

 

[worsleyweb]

Authoritarian instruction, needed for the days when we fought wars all over the planet. Uniform wearing at school, paved the way for uniform wearing in battle. A natural progression for a nation intent on imperialistic conquering of the planet. The freedom of expression is muted and the typical British stiff upper lip mentality is imbued into the pupils at a very young age. It is the mental conditioning need for a war like nation. Now it is more tradition and the British love a bit of tradition as it is largely a small c conservative nation.

A school uniform is also indicitive of the British class system and the old school tie network is still at large. State schools are deferential to the old Public Schools and try to emulate them by having uniforms that help create their own alma mater. Many things in British life hark back to the days of deference to the Lord of the Manor. Even some simple things. When Capability Brown the great landscape gardener started create gardens at the great country houses, the working class in their deference to what is called "front of house" would highly polish their front door steps as they saw it is a sign of nobility.

Or kids just look smarter and are more likely to behave, show respect and work than if they were comparing jeans and expensive tops. Uniforms can be bought cheaply these days and it certainly helps a lot of mothers. As I said a very positive thing in my opinion.

 

[worsleyweb]

School uniforms give a level playing field for all...there is no sense of competition/bullying between the kids (families) who cannot afford the latest trendiest clothes

This.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

I think there are some parents here of Britisch school children. Do they think it's convenient? I wager they might not, these things need to be washed so they often come with extra's and there is even variation for use?

Uniforms remove the stigma of peer pressure.