In 5 years time will the counry be less divided / more or same as now?

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I am very hopeful that post Brexit and if I am correct and there is a bounce and things continue to improve we will see a move away from the right to a more centre ground and a more central labour party.

I think things will be much clearer 3 years down the line?

It cant be like this forever surely?
 
I agree. We're at the lowest point right now I think and the only possible direction is up.

I think Labour will do very badly in the next GE, and Corbyn will be forced to step down. They won't be entirely out of the woods because of the grip Momentum have, but he'll be replaced with someone infinitely more appealing such as Keir Starmer.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I agree. We're at the lowest point right now I think and the only possible direction is up.

I think Labour will do very badly in the next GE, and Corbyn will be forced to step down. They won't be entirely out of the woods because of the grip Momentum have, but he'll be replaced with someone infinitely more appealing such as Keir Starmer.
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I think it could get worse yet if you go without a deal.
 
I have said before that, unfortunately, the country is so divided that only a no deal will suffice. Getting a deal will not shut up Farage et al. If no deal works then great we go from strength to strength. Unfortunately, if it goes tits up then we suffer the consequences.
 
I think things are going to get worse before they get better, if the Government fail to deliver Brexit I can see a period of civil unrest as the public finally wake up to whats going on.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
I think it could get worse yet if you go without a deal.
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Can't see that happening. If Bojo wins with a majority, then he doesn't need to pander to the Brexit party and he can do a deal and we leave on that basis. And if he doesn't win a majority, then we can't leave with no deal.

Of course if Labour or even the LibDems win, then there's no chance of no deal either.

So a no deal Brexit is no longer a possible outcome imo. There's no scenario which leads to no deal now.
 
It's pretty clear to me that both Labour and the Tories are temporarily hijacked by nutters at either extreme of the political spectrum. But that is not where the true centre of gravity lies for either party, both of which are at their cores, moderate. Sense will prevail eventually.

I think the next GE will be a failure for all concerned, and will highlight even more the need for moderate, sensible, pragmatic policies which appeal to all. Not scrapping private schools, nationalising everything or tax cuts for the already better off.
 
worsleyweb said:
I am very hopeful that post Brexit and if I am correct and there is a bounce and things continue to improve we will see a move away from the right to a more centre ground and a more central labour party.

I think things will be much clearer 3 years down the line?

It cant be like this forever surely?
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Keep dreaming mate, this shit is going to be around like a foul stench that you can't shift. Regardless of how we end up a pandora's box has been opened in terms of the far rights activities which now represent the biggest singular threat to our society right now. It was never going to be easy a narrow victory and then trying to form a path which satisfies the whole country.

Referendums and the outsourcing of important political decisions are a no go area in my book, unless of course you get a conclusive majority for one side or the other (70%+) For the time being we are just going to have to get used to hung parliaments and coalitions.
 
The country has always been divided between the haves and have nots. Brexit has just added another issue that people are divided on. I don't think there is much chance of a majority come election.

Only Jacob can save us now;-)
 
I think the most likely outcome at the forthcoming election is that Labour will lose most of the extra seats that they gained in 2017, but will still be able to form a minority government as the Tories/BXP/DUP will struggle to win more than 300 seats between. We will then have Indyref2 and a 2nd Brexit referendum (skewed as much as possible in favour of Remain). Following that a minority government with only 220-230 seats will try to implement a radical programme.

It can only get worse
 
Chippy_boy said:
It's pretty clear to me that both Labour and the Tories are temporarily hijacked by nutters at either extreme of the political spectrum. But that is not where the true centre of gravity lies for either party, both of which are at their cores, moderate. Sense will prevail eventually.

I think the next GE will be a failure for all concerned, and will highlight even more the need for moderate, sensible, pragmatic policies which appeal to all. Not scrapping private schools, nationalising everything or tax cuts for the already better off.
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I am going for lie down. I am agreeing with @Chippy_boy now.
 
Brexit will damage the economy, the only question is by how much.

On top of that, there is a looming global financial crisis coming (remember those?) which has nowt to do with Brexit, per se, but will be made worse by Brexit.

A few people will profit - notably billionaires shorting the pound and so on, but most of us will be worse off to some degree. Some will be utterly ruined.

So my guess is that the country will be bitterly divided for many years no matter what. To make it worse, we have now established that the political class is prepared to give in to threats of political violence from fascists, who will be emboldened by that fact.

To be brief, I'm glad I'm old.
 
For me Brexit or the desire for it is a symptom not the illness. Those many ordinary people who voted for it hoping for a better future are going to be sorely disappointed.
Neo liberalism is what's fucking their lives up and it will continue to suck wealth upwards regardless of whether we have a successful Brexit or not.
The question then will be who to blame. The EU for being nasty to us, the US for not bailing us out in our hour of need. What won't be addressed is the system itself, especially the financial system.
 
Probably more. People will be looking for other to blame when the economy/jobs get hit and they will need someone to lash out at.

That said, at some stage people will surely realise that social media and the echo-chamber they live in is designed to get them to engage with things that they ordinarily shouldn't care about and people who use the term "mainstream media" will go back to calling it "The news". So there is hope and with Trump about to go and Johnson not far behind hopefully people will reflect on this period and hopefully realise people profit from the normal people being divided
 
No chance that this is anywhere near the bottom. Right now there's still hope on both sides that their side will win, when that hope is gone is when you'll see the real problems. I dread to think what the press and farage etc have lined up if we end up remaining. I dread to think of the financial damage to those on lower incomes if we leave without a deal.

Honestly believe this will go on for decades. It might never end.
 
Nobody can predict that we are anywhere near the bottom yet, however sincerely they may hope we are. As it stands, the greater likelihood is that another extension will be sought and the country will endure three more months, perhaps more, of bureaucratic maneuvering and the accompanying rancour.

People will blame Brexit and each other for everything for years to come, but we just happen to be living at the time when power, influence, and wealth move inexorably east, and rather than come to terms with that and adapt, we'll turn inwards upon ourselves and exaggerate our differences further.
 
The genie that is 24hr news , vox pops and social media commentry has left the bottle and won't be put back anytime soon, and that breeds many arguements and conflict.


But mainly
30 odd years ago we were told changing the way this country ran econonically and socially would see things get better, and they did for some.
21 years ago we werw told things can only get better, and they did for a while but ultimately at a cost of leaving many regions to stagnate.
11 years ago we were told 5 years of austerity and everything will get better after that, things have got worse for many.
4 years ago we were told let's have a referendum to sort out the europe question and it will be done quickly and everything will get better, not going very well though really.

Unless this country has a serious look at what it wants to be and decide what kind of society we want to be post our global power status and comes to terms with ourselves, then in 5 years it will be same shit different year and the general public will just continue going about their business, as tbf what else are they gonna do?

We need a sea change in how we view ourselves and chill the fuck out as a nation and enjoy life.
 
I posted this the other day and feel it fits here:

My worry is that we are buggered no matter what

* Remain - Toxic angry leavers
* Soft brexit - Toxic angry leavers because that wasn't the brexit people voted for
* Hard brexit - Toxic angry remainers
* No deal - The fallout is horrendous and does irreversible damage to the country and nobody wins

It's Pandora's box and I don't see any positive outcome
 
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