Another new Brexit thread

[Ban-jani]

I think you're probably being genuine in your beliefs and are just plain wrong.

Johnson called for a GE on September 3rd. Under the fixed term parliament act the GE could have been 25 working days after that. So we could have had a GE next week, well before the 14th. Parliament could have passed a motion setting the date as say next Tuesday.

Of course Johnson could have won that GE and repealed the Benn law, doing so with the full mandate of the British electorate and the mandate of parliament if he had the numbers to do so. And not doing so if he didn't win the GE or have enough supporting MPs.

But instead of allowing this perfectly normal democratic process, Labour blocked it for political expediency. Nothing wrong with that, all is fair in love and politics and the electorate will make their judgement when the time comes.

How many times are you going to use the word could without realising how poor your argument is?

 

[bluethrunthru]

Brace yourself for the bald truth BJ: The window for No Deal will always be there until there is a deal or the WA is revoked. The only force required would be the democratic choice of the electorate, reconfirmed by another GE if necessary.

so we go to 2022 then..............how does his do or die and die in a ditch statements look by then? If he doesn't leave on the 31st October he is done... over... finished. The moderates in his party who don't like him any won't mind - the ERG will be furious ( worth it to see what colour the faces of Bridgen and Francios will actually go in my opinion ) and they will all know from their local constituency parties how many members are defecting to Farage - he and his BP will have a fucking field day with the hapless clowns reputation in tatters.

 

[Phil1]

Yes if that's what he thinks. Better we know his true feelings so people can make an informed choice as to whether to vote for him or not.

Yeah he’ll get plenty of votes as there are plenty of cunts walking the streets of the U.K. at this moment in time.

 

[west didsblue]

Yes if that's what he thinks. Better we know his true feelings so people can make an informed choice as to whether to vote for him or not.

It’s not what he thinks.
He’s using those terms as part of a rabble rousing strategy. Clear as day. Obvious to anyone except those that don’t want to see.

 

[Neville Kneville]

I just find it rather amusing the outrage and indignation about a man with whom you just happen to have completely opposing political view, who also happens to have an approval rating that trounces that of Corbyn. And who leads a party which is >10 points ahead in every poll.

I'm sure it sticks in the craw plenty.

Of course if the tables were turned, you'd be equality indignant about Corbyn and some alleged transgressions, of course you would.

Ah you've decided I'm a Corbyn lover, because I can't be doing with this shower of utter bastards.

How low.

I think there are a few of you find that evil fucking **** 'amusing' & that's the most worrying thing about this country at present.

You have really shown your true colours.

 

[aguero93:20]

A small factual detail you seem to have overlooked, the Benn Act doesn't come into force until October 19th and a minimum of 25 days has to elapse after that before a GE.

But nothing stopped Bojo requesting an extension and neutering the act.

 

[west didsblue]

Then raise the scarlet standard high.
Beneath its shade we’ll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer
We’ll keep the red flag flying here.

Check out the words of any patriotic song including our national anthem. The Red Flag isn’t unique in its sentiments against enemies and is not being quoted in parliamentary debates. Repeatedly posting it on here just demonstrates the lack of a coherent argument supporting the inflammatory language currently deliberately being used.

 

[Vic]

The standard that will apply to his conduct as mayor:

Selflessness.
Holders of public office should act solely in terms of the public interest. They should not do so in order to gain financial or other benefits for themselves, their family or their friends.

Integrity
Holders of public office should not place themselves under any financial or other obligation to outside individuals or organisations that might seek to influence them in the performance of their official duties.

Objectivity
In carrying out public business, including making public appointments, awarding contracts, or recommending individuals for rewards and benefits, holders of public office should make choices on merit.

Accountability
Holders of public office are accountable for their decisions and actions to the public and must submit themselves to whatever scrutiny is appropriate to their office.

Openness
Holders of public office should be as open as possible about all the decisions and actions that they take. They should give reasons for their decisions and restrict information only when the wider public interest clearly demands.

Honesty
Holders of public office have a duty to declare any private interests relating to their public duties and to take steps to resolve any conflicts arising in a way that protects the public interest.

Leadership
Holders of public office should promote and support these principles by leadership and example.

(It's a bit different from the usual local authority code):


You must act solely in the public interest and should never improperly confer an advantage or disadvantage on any person or act to gain financial or other material benefits for yourself, your family, a friend, a close associate, an employer or a business carried on by you.

You must not place yourself under a financial or other obligation to outside individuals or organisations that may influence you in the performance of your official duties.


First question - why was she on a trade delegation? (Why her and not someone else.)

 

[aguero93:20]

I think you're probably being genuine in your beliefs and are just plain wrong.

Johnson called for a GE on September 3rd. Under the fixed term parliament act the GE could have been 25 working days after that. So we could have had a GE next week, well before the 14th. Parliament could have passed a motion setting the date as say next Tuesday.

Of course Johnson could have won that GE and repealed the Benn law, doing so with the full mandate of the British electorate and the mandate of parliament if he had the numbers to do so. And not doing so if he didn't win the GE or have enough supporting MPs.

But instead of allowing this perfectly normal democratic process, Labour blocked it for political expediency. Nothing wrong with that, all is fair in love and politics and the electorate will make their judgement when the time comes.

Johnson proposed an act that didn't have a set date for a GE while 'promising' it would be before October 31st. The inverted commas were needed there, as he can't be trusted to keep his word.

 

[BobKowalski]

I think BoJo would be quite content to be resurrected from his ditch to push through a No Deal in January.

That assumes the extension is for three months. EU may say ‘Look you’re a basket case. Take a year and get back to us when you’re ready’. We then mull it over, pass the extension and we can go back to trying to kill each other and stop the sex pest bothering the EU for a year. Again assuming the sex pest is still PM.

 

[George Hannah]

so we go to 2022 then..............how does his do or die and die in a ditch statements look by then? If he doesn't leave on the 31st October he is done... over... finished. The moderates in his party who don't like him any won't mind - the ERG will be furious ( worth it to see what colour the faces of Bridgen and Francios will actually go in my opinion ) and they will all know from their local constituency parties how many members are defecting to Farage - he and his BP will have a fucking field day with the hapless clowns reputation in tatters.

That's the Milne/Murray plan right enough, not sure it'll work out as you describe if a Tory/Farage coalition is in power within weeks.

 

[bluejon]

It’s not what he thinks.
He’s using those terms as part of a rabble rousing strategy. Clear as day. Obvious to anyone except those that don’t want to see.

Couldn't have put that better. Agreed. These words are being chosen deliberately as the psychological effects of them are well known and produce exactly the behaviour that Cummings/Johnson are looking to provoke.

 

[George Hannah]

Johnson proposed an act that didn't have a set date for a GE while 'promising' it would be before October 31st. The inverted commas were needed there, as he can't be trusted to keep his word.

The date of the election would have been be set unalterably in the Bill, what BoJo promised or didn't was irrelevant. That is the point.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Tory/Farage coalition

something Johnson has vowed will never happen.................he has comprehensively painted himself into a corner with ever deed, every utterance. All he can do is back down and go cap in hand to those he took the whip from or fail to get a deal and have to get an A50 extension and/or fail to leave on Hallowe'en and/or defy the law so on and so on - whatever he tries he has already made it impossible for himself to come out of any situation as a credible politician.

 

[cibaman]

Yep - the clown who had a week to come up with an excuse for "humbug" and "it was a mixup" is the best he could do............. then again he probably says he had an absolute belter but the piece of paper that was written on was eaten by the dog....

I thought he was most evasive when asked if he’d been speaking to other EU governments about them vetoing an extension

 

[George Hannah]

Check out the words of any patriotic song including our national anthem. The Red Flag isn’t unique in its sentiments against enemies and is not being quoted in parliamentary debates. Repeatedly posting it on here just demonstrates the lack of a coherent argument supporting the inflammatory language currently deliberately being used.

Maybe not in recent debate but it was famously sung on the Opposition benches after prorogation. If you regard the Red Flag as patriotic btw I think that indicates a need for further instruction in the Socialist Weltanschauung.

 

[George Hannah]

something Johnson has vowed will never happen.................he has comprehensively painted himself into a corner with ever deed, every utterance. All he can do is back down and go cap in hand to those he took the whip from or fail to get a deal and have to get an A50 extension and/or fail to leave on Hallowe'en and/or defy the law so on and so on - whatever he tries he has already made it impossible for himself to come out of any situation as a credible politician.

I think we all know BoJo's avowals are contingent on what Cummings determines as expedient, the Tories credibility will all rest on public perceptions as expressed in a GE, not those of their political opponents. Milne and Murray's strategy of seeking to embarrass Johnson by handing power to Farage could cause extraordinary damage to our country and finish the Labour Party for good.

 

[bluethrunthru]

I think we all know BoJo's avowals are contingent on what Cummings determines as expedient, the Tories credibility will all rest on public perceptions as expressed in a GE, not those of their political opponents. Milne and Murray's strategy of seeking to embarrass Johnson by handing power to Farage could cause extraordinary damage to our country and finish the Conservative Party for good.

edited for accuracy and reality

 

[George Hannah]

edited for accuracy and reality

as per the Little Red Book lol

 

[aguero93:20]

The date of the election would have been be set unalterably in the Bill, what BoJo promised or didn't was irrelevant. That is the point.

Why didn't he set it then?