Another new Brexit thread

[purplenose]

I DO NOT HAVE FAR LEFT VIEWS FOR FUCKS SAKE.

I have about 100 posts on here explaining how I think Corbyn, is a useless wanker who is equally responsible for this fucking mess, by destroying the opposition & giving power to these cunts.


These fucking people I am replying to, are not 'moderate' anything, they are 100 % full of shit, end of.

Accusing all and sundry of racism and so on account of voting leave seems to have much in common with the far left does it not?

 

[Neville Kneville]

Accusing all and sundry of racism and so on account of voting leave seems to have much in common with the far left does it not?

Find the relevant post, where I have accused 'all & sundry' of racism.

Otherwise have the decency, to withdraw that remark & apologise.

I do however think that the present government are a bunch of ultra right, bent, vicious cunts who are paving the way for the next Nazi party & that's coming from someone who once voted for Mrs Thatch.

I recon several members of her cabinet would agree, off the record.

 

[purplenose]

Find the relevant post, where I have accused 'all & sundry' of racism.

Otherwise have the decency, to withdraw that remark & apologise.

I do however think that the present government are a bunch of ultra right, bent, vicious cunts who are paving the way for the next Nazi party & that's coming from someone who once voted for Mrs Thatch.

I recon several members of her cabinet would agree, off the record.

I really cannot be bothered trawling through posts and if you have never suggested or alluded to such I am more than happy to retract and apologise however I have clear recollection of you saying things to that effect indeed aimed at myself on one occasion. If I am wrong then I am happy to stand corrected.

All the same even to suggest that the current Tory are ultra right is rubbish and that is coming from someone who loathes them and has never voted for them. Boris and his cronies wish to leave the EU and that is something by a whisker I agree with them on....that however falls a bloody long way short of me having even the tiniest inclination of voting for them.

As for mrs T I had to be removed from an aircraft hangar to avoid me at the very least giving her a gob full and quite possibly strangling the malevelant old bat.....

 

[meltonblue]

You say "I claim" which suggests you dispute my claim? I am one of those.

I agree there could well be a hung parliment in which case we will be no further forward on the Brexit issue than we are now. For this reason I think we honestly need a second referendum before a general election. I think that would be a defeat for democracy and quite possibly its death sentence in some respects but such is the dire state of affairs i cannot see any other way that would cause less damage to the future well being prospects of any kind of unity in this country.

Once that referendum was to take place and its result acted upon without delay, the a general election should be held so people could chose which party would be better to lead the country through that time.

It shouldn’t be a defeat for democracy (as I don’t think having a democratic vote should ever be seen as a defeat for democracy), it’s only viewed that way in the context the first one was set up. It should be the the final defeat and end of the Conservative party for how they’ve gone about all of it - from the initial referendum question, right through the negotiations and the carnage they’ve had internally at the same time.

It won’t though, it will be seen exactly as you say - as a defeat for democracy.

 

[Vic]

Social media and the internet in general for me has been the biggest change. Both in the echo chambers they allow but also rather than the “everyone is sick of experts” theory, I think it’s more everyone thinks they are an expert themselves as they have access to google and also they now have a voice that is amplified. I see it a few times where people are having a debate on a forum and you can tell both sides are frantically googling in between posting replies. People seem to be less willing to just say “I don’t know” anymore.

The problem is the people who don't say "I don't know", and don't google, but still sound off as if they did know.

 

[yerwot?]

just for clarity, when any one from left right or centre leave or remain references the "country" please clarify which part of the country they mean/represent? Although it's more than obvious that the country is split to the point of no chance of compromise, posters try and give weight to their "opinion" by the simple use of "for the good of the country when they actually mean for the good of their "side".
The fact that the tory fans are prepared to back johnson is evidence of just how deep their hatred of the left runs. No chance of that changing, it's their default stance, no matter how low he sinks, how utterly unfit he is to be in any political position, no matter how much he damages the reputation of parliament, they will still defend him because he is "one of their own". Tribal. Bitter experience has left me with the absolute certainty that everything a tory government enacts will leave me worse off, that is no exaggeration, and that is why I will back anything anything that foils the tory brexit con and the billionaires who are responsible for it. Not so much tribal, more self-defence. It's pretty obvious that most of us on this thread are out of touch with the group that wins every election, the apolitical, cynical and disenfranchised millions who make up app. 40% of the electorate. If voting was a legal requirement as in Australia, I doubt politics in it's present form could survive, which is why it will never happen and "democracy" will just be another grossly misused deceit.

 

[Metal Biker]

It amazes me how often this thread can go from calm to...

 

[hilts]

1. You replied to the post in question.

2. Is living on a housing estate not worthy enough for you?. Has it got to be a shitty housing estate? More than 3 bedrooms and you're a twat, is that how it goes?

Jesus Christ they are bloody revealing some of your casual comments.

Still no idea what you're on about

 

[Chippy_boy]

Perhaps. I guess most most political assertions are tainted with bias to some extent. Surely you accept though that he is behaving in a way that no previous Prime Minister has done? Are you genuinely comfortable with his approach?!

I thought it was an error of judgement to prorogue parlisment for longer than the norm, although I can see why he did it and personally I think the supreme court got it wrong in deeming it unlawful.. Other than that yes.

Honestly I fail to see what everyone is so worked up about. He's doing his utmost to honour the referendum result and a commitment he's made and parliament is ganging up on him trying stop him, and people get upset because he uses some atypical words? Well really??? Are we all so delicate that we're going to get all upset over a few words which lets face it are ludicrously tame compared to what you on here every 5 minutes and in fact in general parlance all the time.

I don't remember there being much of an outcry when John Major referred to the hard core of Eurosceptics as bastards.

So in summary I think people are wildly overreacting and most of the people doing so are indignant Remsiners. Perhaps who are panicking he might just manage to take us out by October 31st.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Absolutely this.

Absolutely not this. He completely ignores the one course of action needed to put this whole thing to bed. Or at least to do so to the greatest possible extent. That is to leave the EU.

It's taken 3 years for me to accept it, but after 3 years it's clear we cannot carry on like this.

Another referendum was for a long time my preferred course (notwithstanding my dislike of them in any other circumstance). But what has become clear to me is not only would it be terribly damaging to our democracy as Purplenose describes (and you agree), it wouldn't actually help heal our country's divisions at all. It could even make it worse.

This whole nightmare is never going away until the 2016 referendum mandate is fulfilled.

 

[west didsblue]

Absolutely not this. He completely ignores the one course of action needed to put this whole thing to bed. Or at least to do so to the greatest possible extent. That is to leave the EU.

It's taken 3 years for me to accept it, but after 3 years it's clear we cannot carry on like this.

Another referendum was for a long time my preferred course (notwithstanding my dislike of them in any other circumstance). But what has become clear to me is not only would it be terribly damaging to our democracy as Purplenose describes (and you agree), it wouldn't actually help heal our country's divisions at all. It could even make it worse.

This whole nightmare is never going away until the 2016 referendum mandate is fulfilled.

Has someone hacked your account?

 

[Ban-jani]

Absolutely not this. He completely ignores the one course of action needed to put this whole thing to bed. Or at least to do so to the greatest possible extent. That is to leave the EU.

It's taken 3 years for me to accept it, but after 3 years it's clear we cannot carry on like this.

Another referendum was for a long time my preferred course (notwithstanding my dislike of them in any other circumstance). But what has become clear to me is not only would it be terribly damaging to our democracy as Purplenose describes (and you agree), it wouldn't actually help heal our country's divisions at all. It could even make it worse.

This whole nightmare is never going away until the 2016 referendum mandate is fulfilled.

As I’ve said before, your support for the Tories has taken over your views on Brexit.

I’ve long said that we should leave with a deal and that would be the best way to heal be divisions.

The issue is there is that there’s no deal in sight, that will get through.

 

[Ban-jani]

Has someone hacked your account?

His love for the Tories has overtaken his dislike of Brexit.

Johnson’s bullshit has unfortunately struck a chord with him, that May’s didn’t.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I’ve long said that we should leave with a deal and that would be the best way to heal be divisions.

The issue is there is that there’s no deal in sight, that will get through.

We'll see. I think there's a strong chance we'll leave with a deal on Oct 31.

 

[mcfc1632]

I don't want to get off topic again but there are some closed minds if your only interest in society is your own children's interest. Some of this is basic history (the fight for all children to get schooling) and some is basic philosophy (e.g. what is the utility of wanting better education for all?). Nowt to do with envy.

Same with land.
"As soon as the land of any country has all become private property, the landlords, like all other men, love to reap where they never sowed, and demand a rent even for its natural produce. The wood of the forest, the grass of the field, and all the natural fruits of the earth, which, when land was in common, cost the labourer only the trouble of gathering them, come, even to him, to have an additional price fixed upon them. He must then pay for the licence to gather them; and must give up to the landlord a portion of what his labour either collects or produces"
(That old lefty Adam Smith)

You have just heightened my level of concern about the content of the remaining pages

 

[west didsblue]

We'll see. I think there's a strong chance we'll leave with a deal on Oct 31.

Ok. We get it.
You’ve seen the light and Boris is the messiah. How could we all be so stupid?

 

[Chippy_boy]

Has someone hacked your account?

Hahaha you'd think so!

I'm still very much a Remainer. A couple of things have changed my perspective over the past couple of months however:

1. The realisation that this shit is never going away until we get it done. It's a bit like someone with an injured leg (bear with me!) who has constant pain with it. Of course they want it to get better and the last thing they want is having it amputated. But there comes a point where you just have to face up to it and the leg has to go.

2. The unique set of circumstances we find ourselves in, means for the first time I am now genuinely concerned about the prospect of Jeremy Corbyn being in No. 10. Of course he is toxic as are the ludicrous Labour policies such as scrapping private schools. So in "normal" times he could not possibly win. But these are not normal times. if accepting we must leave the EU is the price to keep Corbyn out, then that's a price I pay willingly.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Ok. We get it.
You’ve seen the light and Boris is the messiah. How could we all be so stupid?

No I think he's a bit of a buffoon actually. I've said so repeatedly.

 

[Ban-jani]

We'll see. I think there's a strong chance we'll leave with a deal on Oct 31.

Based on what?

 

[Vic]

We'll see. I think there's a strong chance we'll leave with a deal on Oct 31.

The liar said it was a million to one that we would not leave without a deal. I bet that's not what you mean by a strong chance. But then he was lying.