Liverpool thread 2019/20

[Bozo]

Love it when they play the victim card over that 'always the victims' song.

 

[Kegler Super]

Still got my doubts about City as Pep hasn’t won an away knock out game for us past the quarter finals. He seems to over think situations which resulted in poor performances at Monaco, Liverpool and Spurs.
Liverpool’s style of play is more suited to the competition as they have the ability to be solid with 3 disciplined midfielders and switch it from front to back quickly and 2 full backs that can cause a lot of problems. Guardiola’s style of play is more mechanical and makes it easier for City to dominate teams in the premier league rather than adapt to one off knock out games.

Some very good points there. I totally agree about Guardiola overthinking things. That said, the players have to take some responsibility. But as the Telegraph article a few pages back said, it’s about amassing experience and knowhow in the tournament too. The players knowledge in that will only grow though.

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

British clubs are never ever getting the benefit of the doubt at UEFA. This has been going on for time immemorial.
My point here would be that I don’t understand why it would be a big deal. Nothing UEFA have said or done have impacted you on the actual field of play, it’s just general sniping at the clubs. They don’t like us and never have. That the English teams are smashing the CL at the moment will be killing them. But if we look at the draw for the CL groups, neither of us have done too badly. Swings and roundabouts.

Financial Fair Play?

Correct me if I am wrong but both City and Liverpool have been found to have 'failed' it and only one appears to have been sanctioned.

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

It'd be nice to win the Champions League, but it's not something you can really plan for in the same way that you can with the Premier League. So many teams have failed to win the Champions League despite obviously being the best team around at the time, and so many other teams have won it when they demonstrably weren't the best. The Chelsea of the mid-2000s never won it, but then they won it when they had a pretty average team and a manager who a few years later was getting sacked by Aston Villa in the Championship. The reality of a cup competition is that it relies on a hell of a lot on luck, especially in the latter stage when you're always going to be facing teams that are capable of beating you on their day. A few dodgy decisions, a few injuries, or just an off day can lose the whole tournament for you. It's much harder for that to happen in the league.

Chelsea fans would probably point to decisions that stopped their Mourinho team from winning it, but would probably also concede that they had a bit of luck when they finally won it.

That's fair

 

[Kegler Super]

I think we know what happens at our own club thanks,we have serious reasons for hating UEFA and so boo their jungle,so do barca and other fans,you spent a fortune in the last 2yrs,klopp has had enough money to build a deep squad,we can only have the same size squad as anyone else,it's a mark of pep and the club to have spent the money wisely

To compare the money both clubs have spent offers no perspective and insight into the debate at all. The facts are clear, no point in rehashing them. You say that we’ve spent a lot of money which is true but we’ve also recouped a great deal which you haven’t. That’s not a bad thing, it’s just the situation at hand. It seems like it’s you guys that have the issue with finances, not me, but let’s noy let this descend into a row, I’m only here to talk football

 

[kaz7]

Pep Guardiola on the Champions League: "I want to win this tournament but if I don’t, it won’t change my life. I won’t kill myself."

5 mins ago

Just saying

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

Some very good points there. I totally agree about Guardiola overthinking things. That said, the players have to take some responsibility. But as the Telegraph article a few pages back said, it’s about amassing experience and knowhow in the tournament too. The players knowledge in that will only grow though.

Anything further than the quarters I will be pleasantly surprised. The players have the capability but if you give chances away in the knock outs you will get punished. Son’s finishing for Spurs was laser guided.

Pep went with an extra man in midfield at Anfield but it had no effect as they were swept away within the space of 30 minutes. Long way to go yet think both teams will top their groups commandingly then Spring is where the real fun starts.

 

[kinkysdribble]

To compare the money both clubs have spent offers no perspective and insight into the debate at all. The facts are clear, no point in rehashing them. You say that we’ve spent a lot of money which is true but we’ve also recouped a great deal which you haven’t. That’s not a bad thing, it’s just the situation at hand. It seems like it’s you guys that have the issue with finances, not me, but let’s noy let this descend into a row, I’m only here to talk football

To recoup so much just means you were a selling club when the bigger vultures circled, really nothing to be proud of!

 

[Kegler Super]

Fair question... Our players, manager backroom staff and our owners are desperate to win it. I'm pretty ambivalent on winning it such is the corruption, but I want us to win it ASAP because Silva Aguero and Fernandinho in particular came here not just for the money, but the long term project. They have been very loyal to our cause as was Zabaleta Yaya and Kompany who didn't manage to lift the CL trophy. I really hope that Silva(in particular) can bow out at the top winning the CL this season before he leaves. Here's hoping...

Brilliant post, I completely agree for the most part *

*Obviously I hope we win the CL. Haha!

 

[kaz7]

To compare the money both clubs have spent offers no perspective and insight into the debate at all. The facts are clear, no point in rehashing them. You say that we’ve spent a lot of money which is true but we’ve also recouped a great deal which you haven’t. That’s not a bad thing, it’s just the situation at hand. It seems like it’s you guys that have the issue with finances, not me, but let’s noy let this descend into a row, I’m only here to talk football

You constantly refer to net spend,it doesn't matter,klopp has had a lot of money to spend,he hasn't used it to build a deep squad like pep has,it doesn't matter where the money has come from,he had it to spend,you had the most expensive keeper and defender so you can't say we have more money than you lol,we never sell our best players we have have their best yrs with us,it's a bad thing your net spend because it comes from selling your best players!

 

[Oh YeahOh Yeah]

To compare the money both clubs have spent offers no perspective and insight into the debate at all. The facts are clear, no point in rehashing them. You say that we’ve spent a lot of money which is true but we’ve also recouped a great deal which you haven’t. That’s not a bad thing, it’s just the situation at hand. It seems like it’s you guys that have the issue with finances, not me, but let’s noy let this descend into a row, I’m only here to talk football

We've not recouped a great deal on player transfers as our best players don't tend to want to leave.

 

[Kegler Super]

To recoup so much just means you were a selling club when the bigger vultures circled, really nothing to be proud of!

Eh? Who’s said it’s anything to be proud of? I’m simply stating what happened. That’s the MO of our club, not one penny over our means. In the current climate, I disagree as I think one or two extra quality additions would be a godsend. I support the team but I don’t necessarily endorse everything FSG do. The inactivity with our stadium has been disgraceful.

 

[Bill the Blue]

To compare the money both clubs have spent offers no perspective and insight into the debate at all. The facts are clear, no point in rehashing them. You say that we’ve spent a lot of money which is true but we’ve also recouped a great deal which you haven’t. That’s not a bad thing, it’s just the situation at hand. It seems like it’s you guys that have the issue with finances, not me, but let’s noy let this descend into a row, I’m only here to talk football

We haven't recouped a great deal 'cos we don't sell our best players.. That's why we've got a deep squad and you have a good first 11...

 

[kinkysdribble]

Let's be honest, you lot wear the net spend tag like a badge of honour, or you wouldn't have brought "recoup" into the conversation, maybe time for a little self reflection.

 

[Kegler Super]

We've not recouped a great deal on player transfers as our best players don't tend to want to leave.

Fair point. However your club doesn’t need to actively sell whereas our board encourage it. There’s a difference there. There’s rights and wrongs on both sides, it’s certainly not a black and white argument.

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

That’s a classic straw man argument - you’re mooting something that doesn’t even exist. Have we had a good run with injuries in key positions? Definitely. Doesn’t mean anything’s bad there. And if the inference is doping etc do you know how many times players get tested a season? No club could get away with it for any extended period.
My own take is that it’s small gains. For example, we took Bayern’s fitness coach off them. If that makes us 4% fitter and less susceptible to silly knocks then it’s job done. Tiniest of margins at this level of the game.

Erm, yes well deduced la, I was indeed inferring to doping. Rawk and Redcafe have threads on us being doped (amongst many other things) so with your 'luck' of not getting injuries makes me wonder. And it made me wonder how Leicester gathered momentum to win the PL with a new manager that signed fairly late in the previous close season(but that's another argument)

It's will be at least 90 years before Liverpool or Spurs win the PL and the PL chiefs do not want to see Manchester City win it for a third time on the trot. Our opening home game to Spurs was obvious of their their plight to stop us with 2 farcial VAR decisions against us!

And as for your new fitness coach making you 4% fitter, fuckin' LOL!

Milner is still running about like the headless chicken he was 10 years ago!

When was the last time a LFC player was dope tested btw?

Brilliant post, I completely agree for the most part *

*Obviously I hope we win the CL. Haha!

Brilliant post? I'm just being honest pal.

I sense a patronsing head patting in your reply la: /

 

[jrb]

To compare the money both clubs have spent offers no perspective and insight into the debate at all. The facts are clear, no point in rehashing them. You say that we’ve spent a lot of money which is true but we’ve also recouped a great deal which you haven’t. That’s not a bad thing, it’s just the situation at hand. It seems like it’s you guys that have the issue with finances, not me, but let’s noy let this descend into a row, I’m only here to talk football

Once again! I give up.

Liverpool only got that money because your best players wanted to leave. Without your best players leaving your transfer kitty/pot was what?

It was Jonny Ball, think of a f***ing number!

Think for 1 minute.

If City we’re a selling club like Littlwoods have been , and our best players wanted to leave, in your opinion, how much would City have got for Sergio, David Silva, Vincent Kompany, De Bruyne, Sterling, Sane, etc.

We’d have blown every club out of the water with our net spend figures, even Littlewoods.

But City don’t sell their best players. The club is so well run, that even after FFP, City can still afford to targeted the best players available without the need to sell their best players.

And before you start. Sheikh Mansour stopped investing in the team when FFP was championed and implement by the likes of UEFA, FSG/Littlewoods, United, Arsenal, etc. Because all those clubs knew they couldn’t and wouldn’t be able to compete financially with City.(and PSG)

BTW. If FSG and Liverpool think they can take on Sheikh Mansour, ADUG, City and win, they are very mistaken. I think you know that as well.

 

[Kegler Super]

Let's be honest, you lot wear the net spend tag like a badge of honour, or you wouldn't have brought "recoup" into the conversation, maybe time for a little self reflection.

I don’t at all, I mentioned pages back that I’m not a big fan of the whole thing. I’m simply stating facts because other people have brought finances into it. As I’ve said, I’d rather concentrate on the footballing side of things.

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

Fortunately Neville isn’t on here spouting that crap or he’d be told as well

Please can invite him on - I think he'd really enjoy our 'ahem, constructive criticism.........

We should start him with the universally approved is it right to throw beer at G-Nev thread ;-)

 

[kinkysdribble]

But on to a different subject, welcome Kegler to our city Forum, hope it stays civilised and reasoned by both sides, enjoy