Liverpool thread 2019/20

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karen7 said:
You allude to human rights but you can't prove it so you move away when challenged,the last 2 pages you are talking about how rich we are,put up or shut up
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I’ll say nothing on the matter there then. I’ll just stick to football, thanks, here to talk about that. Don’t think you’ve understood my point about your finances despite me saying that ‘I’m a big fan of the way you do it, I wish we would do the same. By that I mean holding on to our top players for as long as we can rather than selling them when they’re ripe. I remember when we used to do it as well’.

If you think I’m in any way criticising your club there, I don’t what else to say. It’s a fucking brilliant football model for retention of your best players. We did it throughout the 70s and 80s for the most part, you’re doing it now. Where’s the hatred or wind up there?
 
Kegler Super said:
I’ll say nothing on the matter there then. I’ll just stick to football, thanks, here to talk about that. Don’t think you’ve understood my point about your finances despite me saying that ‘I’m a big fan of the way you do it, I wish we would do the same. By that I mean holding on to our top players for as long as we can rather than selling them when they’re ripe. I remember when we used to do it as well’.

If you think I’m in any way criticising your club there, I don’t what else to say. It’s a fucking brilliant football model for retention of your best players. We did it throughout the 70s and 80s for the most part, you’re doing it now. Where’s the hatred or wind up there?
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It’s all relative though, isn’t it? Where were you lot until the Middle East rocked up? That’s what football’s about - the right people in the right place at the right time. You only have to look at Leicester the other year to see what can happen in a perfect storm.

Kegler Super,

The middle east rocked up,that is what you really mean isn't it?
 
karen7 said:
It’s all relative though, isn’t it? Where were you lot until the Middle East rocked up? That’s what football’s about - the right people in the right place at the right time. You only have to look at Leicester the other year to see what can happen in a perfect storm.

Kegler Super,

The middle east rocked up,that is what you really mean isn't it?
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We all know what he means. he gets his little digs in and when challenged with facts he does what most fans of that club do and plays the victim.
 
karen7 said:
It’s all relative though, isn’t it? Where were you lot until the Middle East rocked up? That’s what football’s about - the right people in the right place at the right time. You only have to look at Leicester the other year to see what can happen in a perfect storm.

Kegler Super,

The middle east rocked up,that is what you really mean isn't it?
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No, what I meant was exactly what you’ve written first - ‘It’s all relative though, isn’t it?’. As you know, that comment was in response to another poster who had said we were some shit 2nd Division team or something until Shankly had turned up. My response was to make the point about relativity. Until Sheikh Mansour turned up, you weren’t exactly setting the football world alight. The following two sentences afterwards about people in the right place and the right time and Leicester’s perfect storm illustrate it perfectly. If you can see jealousy or malice in there, then with respect, you’re looking too hard for it. Each to their own.
 
Kegler Super said:
John Henry has no human rights issues attached to him personally. To suggest that the UAE and Abu Dhabi do not is rather daft.
Again the point I’m making is none of these things affect the daily running of yours or our club. As the game became more and more monetised, so the levels of corruption, deceit, fraud etc have exponentially grown. It’s attached to an awful lot of top level football these days and probably won’t get much better. It seems such a daft stick to try and beat someone with chatting footy, there is absolutely no correlation between the two. Are the issues important? Yes, much more than football. But they’re for a different debate.
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John Henry is a citizen of a regime higher up Amnesty’s human rights watch than either the UAE or Abu Dhabi. You’re main sponsor has been found guilty of laundering money for one of the regimes that, according to that bastion of democracy the US of A, is a major sponsor of international terrorism.
There are far more human rights ‘issues’ with your club and yet you have the temerity to come on our board and make snide little digs at our owner.
I suggest you take a look at my post from yesterday evening and take heed.
 
Kegler Super said:
No, what I meant was exactly what you’ve written first - ‘It’s all relative though, isn’t it?’. As you know, that comment was in response to another poster who had said we were some shit 2nd Division team or something until Shankly had turned up. My response was to make the point about relativity. Until Sheikh Mansour turned up, you weren’t exactly setting the football world alight. The following two sentences afterwards about people in the right place and the right time and Leicester’s perfect storm illustrate it perfectly. If you can see jealousy or malice in there, then with respect, you’re looking too hard for it. Each to their own.
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Then why not say since your owner or Sheikh Mansour turned up? why say the middle east turned up?,you have been dripping human rights in but say i'm only talking football when challenged,unfortunately for you human rights is the the one thing on city bingo that really gets my back up,that and the notion that our owner can be held responsible for human rights violations in the middle east,if you can't back it up then stop driping it in
 
squirtyflower said:
John Henry is a citizen of a regime higher up Amnesty’s human rights watch than either the UAE or Abu Dhabi. You’re main sponsor has been found guilty of laundering money for one of the regimes that, according to that bastion of democracy the US of A, is a major sponsor of international terrorism.
There are far more human rights ‘issues’ with your club and yet you have the temerity to come on our board and make snide little digs at our owner.
I suggest you take a look at my post from yesterday evening and take heed.
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I suggest you read the third sentence of my post you’ve quoted where I said that none of these things affect the daily running of the football clubs. On the subject of little digs, I challenge you right now to find anything other than football that could be interpreted as a dig without somebody from your side mentioning it first. Even though there aren’t any digs, they’re just responses to issues you’re bringing up. If you don’t mention these things, I have no reason to talk about them. I’m only here to talk about footy.
 
Kegler Super said:
No, what I meant was exactly what you’ve written first - ‘It’s all relative though, isn’t it?’. As you know, that comment was in response to another poster who had said we were some shit 2nd Division team or something until Shankly had turned up. My response was to make the point about relativity. Until Sheikh Mansour turned up, you weren’t exactly setting the football world alight. The following two sentences afterwards about people in the right place and the right time and Leicester’s perfect storm illustrate it perfectly. If you can see jealousy or malice in there, then with respect, you’re looking too hard for it. Each to their own.
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Actually you were a shit second division team until the MONEY turned up from Littlewoods.
 
squirtyflower said:
John Henry is a citizen of a regime higher up Amnesty’s human rights watch than either the UAE or Abu Dhabi. You’re main sponsor has been found guilty of laundering money for one of the regimes that, according to that bastion of democracy the US of A, is a major sponsor of international terrorism.
There are far more human rights ‘issues’ with your club and yet you have the temerity to come on our board and make snide little digs at our owner.
I suggest you take a look at my post from yesterday evening and take heed.
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I thought you were just going to post “House” :-)
 
Kegler Super said:
I suggest you read the third sentence of my post you’ve quoted where I said that none of these things affect the daily running of the football clubs. On the subject of little digs, I challenge you right now to find anything other than football that could be interpreted as a dig without somebody from your side mentioning it first. Even though there aren’t any digs, they’re just responses to issues you’re bringing up. If you don’t mention these things, I have no reason to talk about them. I’m only here to talk about footy.
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Challenge me to what the fuck you like, I am not in the slightest bit interested.
If I read one more post of yours with a dig in it and you are gone
 
karen7 said:
Then why not say since your owner or Sheikh Mansour turned up? why say the middle east turned up?,you have been dripping human rights in but say i'm only talking football when challenged,unfortunately for you human rights is the the one thing on city bingo that really gets my back up,that and the notion that our owner can be held responsible for human rights violations in the middle east,if you can't back it up then stop driping it in
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I’ll say it again, things like that aren’t suitable for this kind of place. If you want to enter into a private correspondence on the matter then that’s fine but I’d like to hear your own basic experiences of the region before getting into the conversation to ensure context. Feel free to message me privately and keep it to football on here.
 
Kegler Super said:
No, what I meant was exactly what you’ve written first - ‘It’s all relative though, isn’t it?’. As you know, that comment was in response to another poster who had said we were some shit 2nd Division team or something until Shankly had turned up. My response was to make the point about relativity. Until Sheikh Mansour turned up, you weren’t exactly setting the football world alight. The following two sentences afterwards about people in the right place and the right time and Leicester’s perfect storm illustrate it perfectly. If you can see jealousy or malice in there, then with respect, you’re looking too hard for it. Each to their own.
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The problem is that we are seen as the 'pure evil' of football, we were bought by our owner and everyone at the time just laughed behind closed doors thinking it would all go tits up like portsmouth et al...but it hasn't. In fact we are probably the best run football club in world football, and that's not me saying that through blue tinted specs

What has happened though is because the threat became apparent and real in terms of us challenging, the so called old G14 clubs didn't like it because they realised the status quo was changing. And even though you may not agree (maybe you will) but Liverpool are included in that cohort that have tried to both block our club from growing and lobbying for us to be heavily sanctioned - there has been secret meetings etc etc held to both discuss the threat and ways of stopping it via UEFA

Unfortunately football is now seen as more of a business than a sport in some people's eyes and they will do anything to protect their investment from the likes of ourselves and PSG

The biggest threat to football is in fact trying to make it a closed shop so that the rich stay rich and the also-rans stay in the lower pecking order - the philosophy of how dare you try and threaten the status quo

Difference is i and I would say the whole fan base of our club couldn't careless if another owner were to come in and purchase say everton, wolves etc and ran it how they wanted but in a correct manner so that they could challenge for trophies

However the clubs such as liverpool, arsenal, united, bayern, juve, madrid and barca amongst others don't want that one bit - case in example i think was when Sevilla got bought out, he didnt last long because of the corrupt nature of the game in favour of the established top 2 in la liga
 
Kegler Super said:
John Henry has no human rights issues attached to him personally. To suggest that the UAE and Abu Dhabi do not is rather daft.
Again the point I’m making is none of these things affect the daily running of yours or our club. As the game became more and more monetised, so the levels of corruption, deceit, fraud etc have exponentially grown. It’s attached to an awful lot of top level football these days and probably won’t get much better. It seems such a daft stick to try and beat someone with chatting footy, there is absolutely no correlation between the two. Are the issues important? Yes, much more than football. But they’re for a different debate.
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Is it just me or does no-one else give a fuck about all this human rights shit? As long as City are winning I don't care how or where the money came from, just as I'm sure scousers don't care that John Henry's money is invested in arms deals and bribing foreign governments that can be manipulated to benefit the US.
 
Kegler Super said:
I’ll say it again, things like that aren’t suitable for this kind of place. If you want to enter into a private correspondence on the matter then that’s fine but I’d like to hear your own basic experiences of the region before getting into the conversation to ensure context. Feel free to message me privately and keep it to football on here.
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I don't need to have experience of the region nor do i want to pm you,you are talking about our owner and club so here is just fine
The facts are our owner is one man,he is not a state,a country,the middle east,he is not responsible for human rights offences unless you know something i don't,you retreat as soon as you are challenged about it,he is rich but we are self sufficent so by repeating it as if it gives us an advantage is wrong,we spend depending on how much we earn and the current rules
To talk football yourself and the others do not need to keep repeating the above
 
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