Another new Brexit thread

[kevin horlocks wand]

It looks as thought the 'old# are taking away freedom and opportunities from the young. Add to that the economic disparity between the two and housing security that the 'old' have compared to the majority of young people then it is easy to see where the divide would be

How that actually manifests itself is up for debate, though. Maybe a left-wing revolution after all?

You do Know as people get older they have worked longer so tend to have more money and have paid off their mortgage at an earlier stage.

There are not many young people in any generation who can but a house cash.

Maybe I should have a go at my mum and dads generation as they could buy there first house for a few grand and I had to pay a lot more. Mind you I don’t think many of the young generation would fancy shitting in a shed in the garden in the winter. Not because it cold because there is No WiFi in the outside bog .

Oh the young they have it so fucking bad don’t they?

 

[mcfc1632]

Bullshit.
Masters of hypocrisy.

So - explain - please

Two posters are exchanging views - Dave does not appear to be a shy individual that needs your support

So just why have you jumped in and started to take the thread down a route of arguments and bickering?

My view of the answer is that it is what you do on an almost daily basis and hopefully it will get noticed

Edit: to say I notice the usual pack member has appeared to help you derail the thread - again

 

[blueinsa]

because of the resentment the referendum has caused, we'll end up going through it again in a few years when the "young" outweigh the "old" and want to go back in.

Do people stop getting old then and do political opinions not change with age, after all, the old now being blamed for taking us out once voted to keep us in.

Imagine that?

 

[Metal Biker]

Bullshit.
Masters of hypocrisy.

No answer, then?

 

[Ban-jani]

Careful guys - you know his routine - provoke people into arguing and run away acting the victim and calling for the cavalry

I’m still waiting for you to answer the very simple yes or no question you’ve dodged for over 24 hours now-

Do you think putting in measures to replace what we’ll lose from trade, in the event of no deal, should be a priority in our preparations?

You called me saying we should irrelevant deflection, on the preparations point.

 

[BobKowalski]

It does seem that they’ve been carefully constructed. It’s extremely unlikely they’ll be accepted by the EU but they’re sufficiently different to the WA for him to claim that he’s genuinely trying to get a deal. Even if he isn’t.

True but the strategies are not mutually exclusive. Stripping all the bluster and ‘surrender bill’ bollocks out of it there is a long way from where Johnson started and where he is now. Johnson needs a way out and it’s either a deal, on which as we can see he has moved, or no deal with lots of drama and rhetoric secure in the knowledge that Parliament will stymie that one.

No matter how rubbish the proposals are if the EU treat it as an opening gambit - a move which two months ago was resolutely ruled out by Johnson - and commence talks this sucks Johnson into more rounds of negotiation which Johnson is obliged to enter into otherwise it is the UK who will cop the flak for no deal. But the proposals have to be better than reported otherwise ‘take it or leave it’ is risible if even a blind man can spot the gaping holes in them.

Anyway we will see how it plays out.

 

[Metal Biker]

Careful guys - you know his routine - provoke people into arguing and run away acting the victim and calling for the cavalry

They're here, alright ;)

 

[Metal Biker]

Like it....catchy.

Nah, too French sounding. Goes against my ethics as a European hating leave voter.

 

[blueinsa]

You raise a good point about the economic disparity, as baby-boomers have benefitted enormously from the rise in property values, which have created huge barriers of entry to the housing market for the young. You could see some redistributive moves in that regard, although the elderly’s huge voting block would provide a huge obstacle to that.

Either way, more divisions, lamentably.

Biggest barrier is seemingly a banking sector that wont lend anymore unless you have a ridiculous deposit and a credit rating of 800 out of 799.

Redistributive is the kind of word that gives Corbyn and McDonnell a raging hard on though so no doubt they would love a policy of redistribution, no matter how unworkable it would be.

Mind you dont get old and still owning property though mate ;-)

 

[Blue Hefner]

You do Know as people get older they have worked longer so tend to have more money and have paid off their mortgage at an earlier stage.

There are not many young people in any generation who can but a house cash.

Maybe I should have a go at my mum and dads generation as they could buy there first house for a few grand and I had to pay a lot more. Mind you I don’t think many of the young generation would fancy shitting in a shed in the garden in the winter. Not because it cold because there is No WiFi in the outside bog .

Oh the young they have it so fucking bad don’t they?

I'm a 36 year old home owner so not particularity well qualified to speak on either behalf, that is why I said 'looks like'. The younger people have insecure, low paid work with very high rents and are about to have their right to travel, study and work freely taken away from them

Whether they are right or wrong, is up for debate, but if I was young then I'd be looking at the demographic of the Tory Conference and probably come to the conclusion that they are pulling the ladder up

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Nah, too French sounding. Goes against my ethics as a European hating leave voter.

The three little pigs. Oink oink.

Be careful they will huff and puff and blow your house down.

 

[Neville Kneville]

That has been my opinion all along

Mine too.

If the Tories put together any kind of a 'deal' it will be another con job.

 

[west didsblue]

No answer, then?

What answer do you want?
I find invoking the actions of the 3rd Reich to be more offensive than someone pointing out the fascistic tendencies of some of the leading proponents of leave. Not all fascists rounded up whole races of people for extermination. Going on about marking people and ghettoes can only be referring to the actions of the 3rd Reich. Suggesting Farage has fascist tendencies is actually supported by evidence. It's not my fault that you can't tell the difference.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

I'm a 36 year old home owner so not particularity well qualified to speak on either behalf, that is why I said 'looks like'. The younger people have insecure, low paid work with very high rents and are about to have their right to travel, study and work freely taken away from them

Whether they are right or wrong, is up for debate, but if I was young then I'd be looking at the demographic of the Tory Conference and probably come to the conclusion that they are pulling the ladder up

They don’t all do. Some young people go on to do really well and earn lots of money and have happy lives.

Some old people have insecure low paid jobs when they should have retires and are wondering how to pay for themselves in old age,

We can all generalise bollox

 

[mcfc1632]

I know you’ve not asked the question of me, but I’ll respond as I raised the issue in the first place. It will, at the very least, manifest itself as a significant decline in respect towards the elderly, with a decrease in financial support for pensioners providing a path of much less resistance than hitherto, if leaving turns out to be an economic disaster. The ‘young’ will want the ‘old’ to disproportionately share the burden that they perceive was their doing.

Do you think otherwise?

Hope you do not mind me replying

Personally I think that there will be a few months of doom-mongering and then a gradual petering out of the angst as the tsunami stubbornly refuses to arrive - and......

Things will generally return to as they are now...

The young will still depend on the parents and grandparents to fund their lives

The young will find some subject - probably climate change - to focus on and Brexit will be fuck all to them

A bit further down the line the young of today will become the older of tomorrow and benefit directly from the strength of the UK - but, typically, they will not be expressing their gratitude to the older of today - even those still alive

Oh - and the doom-mongers of today (not you) absolutely will not be anywhere to be seen saying - sorry for all that bollocks I posted back in the day

 

[Metal Biker]

What answer do you want?
I find invoking the actions of the 3rd Reich to be more offensive than someone pointing out the fascistic tendencies of some of the leading proponents of leave. Not all fascists rounded up whole races of people for extermination. Going on about marking people and ghettoes can only be referring to the actions of the 3rd Reich. Suggesting Farage has fascist tendencies is actually supported by evidence. It's not my fault that you can't tell the difference.

Yet you say nothing when Dribble, Ifyoucouldjust... and the like regularly make Nazi references to describe all leave voters, behaviour and opinions, eh.

As I said; faux outrage. Or selective, you choose.

 

[west didsblue]

So - explain - please

Two posters are exchanging views - Dave does not appear to be a shy individual that needs your support

So just why have you jumped in and started to take the thread down a route of arguments and bickering?

My view of the answer is that it is what you do on an almost daily basis and hopefully it will get noticed

Edit: to say I notice the usual pack member has appeared to help you derail the thread - again

Jumping in to complain about jumping in.
YCNMIU.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Biggest barrier is seemingly a banking sector that wont lend anymore unless you have a ridiculous deposit and a credit rating of 800 out of 799.

Redistributive is the kind of word that gives Corbyn and McDonnell a raging hard on though so no doubt they would love a policy of redistribution, no matter how unworkable it would be.

Mind you dont get old and still owning property though mate ;-)

I don’t presently own any property due to my bankruptcy a few years ago totally destroying my credit rating, although I’m hopeful that will change in the next twelve months, which will mean me getting a new mortgage at 50, which also means I’ll need to work until I’m 70, most likely, so I’m well aware of the present difficulties in getting a mortgage as I’ve been/will be as much subject to the present set up as most; not that I’m complaining.

 

[Neville Kneville]

The take it or leave it is for the base. EU will probably view it as an opening bid and proceed to talk on that basis. Dublin will probably do the public rubbishing.

Or the EU just tell Johnson to fuck off :)

Reality is they will keep talking whilst figuring out how long an extension to offer.

The reality is, that the EU are so worried about us slitting our own throats with a rusty knife, by leaving without a deal, that they will 'cave in' & give Bozo whatever he asks for, they have been telling you this for 3 years.

Be told ffs.

And if they don't, it will be YOUR FAULT.

 

[Ban-jani]

You do Know as people get older they have worked longer so tend to have more money and have paid off their mortgage at an earlier stage.

There are not many young people in any generation who can but a house cash.

Maybe I should have a go at my mum and dads generation as they could buy there first house for a few grand and I had to pay a lot more. Mind you I don’t think many of the young generation would fancy shitting in a shed in the garden in the winter. Not because it cold because there is No WiFi in the outside bog .

Oh the young they have it so fucking bad don’t they?

WiFi and the fact that nice tele’s are now affordable don’t make up for the difficulties of owning your own home.

This isn’t a brag, it’s the truth-

I’m in the top 10% of earners, the group Johnson wants to give a tax cut to. I have just moved into my new home as a first time buyer and myself and my Mrs saved as much as we could. No holiday anywhere last year, spent 12 months at her Mum’s in the spare room, waited to improve her car, which was much needed etc.

It’s safe to say I changed my life fairly significantly to get a deposit to buy.

Even doing so it took longer than expected, despite the fact I’m a high earner and my Mrs is a fully chartered accountant on a good salary too.

Now I did it after just over a year and moved into a 3 bed in a nice area but when I think of those earning the even national average, not those on minimum wage, the actual average for the country, I think it must be impossible if they don’t have family to help.

Affording an IPhone or WiFi, which you can get for very cheap these days doesn’t make up for the burden you have to now take on to save to buy a house, it’s so so hard.