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BobKowalski said:
Probably not. But if the EU know they won’t pass or even get presented they will also know there is little point in engaging on the substance of the proposals and can either dismiss them or treat them as an opening bid.

What is overlooked is Johnson has travelled some distance. His opening gambit was no talks until the backstop was ditched. It wasn’t but he went to Pais and Berlin anyway. Then we said we would take the May deal but we need movement on the backstop. He was told to come up with ideas. Now we have. Ok they may be garbage but if you’re the EU you look at the direction of travel and think it may prove useful to continue the ride.
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It does seem that they’ve been carefully constructed. It’s extremely unlikely they’ll be accepted by the EU but they’re sufficiently different to the WA for him to claim that he’s genuinely trying to get a deal. Even if he isn’t.
 
blueinsa said:
More faux outrage.

Fucking masters of it as you have all gone full on scouse over brexit.

The finishing line must be in sight you can tell.
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Oh the irony.

Have you finished calling people bigots for disagreeing with you?

Or sexist for taking the piss out of Anne Widdecombe?
 
Ban-jani said:
Oh the irony.

Have you finished calling people bigots for disagreeing with you?

Or sexist for taking the piss out of Anne Widdecombe?
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Bless Dave's army has appeared.

Do you want to answer for him?

How will the young "turn"against the old?

Like Dave will you be supporting them and if so, how?
 
blueinsa said:
Bless Dave's army has appeared.

Do you want to answer for him?

How will the young "turn"against the old?

Like Dave will you be supporting them and if so, how?
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Just pointing out the rank hypocrisy of you.

I won’t be turning against anyone.

Dave and I don’t hold the same position exactly I don’t think, we both agree Brexit is a very bad idea but I’d be happy enough if we left with a deal at this stage, I don’t wish to speak for him but I’m not sure if that’s Dave’s position.
 
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blueinsa said:
A poor attempt at one Dave yes, hence my mocking reply I'm afraid.

I see I wasn't the only one to take the piss out of your post as well.

Tell me Dave, what will the young do to the old as the "turn" against them and in what way will you be on their side?

Stick some meat on those bones.
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Nah mate. The penny's finally dropped.
 
blueinsa said:
Tell me Dave, what will the young do to the old as the "turn" against them and in what way will you be on their side?

Stick some meat on those bones.
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I know you’ve not asked the question of me, but I’ll respond as I raised the issue in the first place. It will, at the very least, manifest itself as a significant decline in respect towards the elderly, with a decrease in financial support for pensioners providing a path of much less resistance than hitherto, if leaving turns out to be an economic disaster. The ‘young’ will want the ‘old’ to disproportionately share the burden that they perceive was their doing.

Do you think otherwise?
 
blueinsa said:
Bless Dave's army has appeared.

Do you want to answer for him?

How will the young "turn"against the old?

Like Dave will you be supporting them and if so, how?
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The irony if you bitching about "Dave's Army" when you used to regularly PM me to help you out in arguments.
 
Blue Hefner said:
We have not learnt the skill of pre-closing. I.e what can everyone live with
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Oh - I would agree that a different approach should have been taken at the outset and there should have been a cross-party group established to bring forward the option(s) to be presented to parliament and establish the mandate to enter negotiations.

But...…..………...

1. May did not do that in 2016 and we are now where we are

2. Even if she had - our political parties are a bunch of self-serving charlatans and they would just have played games and dragged out the discussions for evermore - LibDems and SNP trying to stop Brexit - Labour trying to make life difficult for the government and bring it down

3. So the executive took the negotiations forwards - very badly - the utter incompetents

4. It is now 2019 and the level to which it has all been balls up is extreme and the situation is far worse - nobody is sitting round a table now and agreeing a deal structure

5. We are where we are - Brexit is likely to get binned. The only chance it has to be executed is if Johnson can 'brutally' push it through - that is what he is trying to do.

6. So given we are where we are and not where people might like us to be - then it is right to keep things very private because the past 3 years has shown everything is leaked to the UK's disadvantage

7. Johnson is going to come out of this badly if he does not get Brexit done - sensibly (from his POV) he is really going for it and fuck the silly niceties that the wets might like to see observed - they are after all only playing games and are wholly insincere about getting Brexit done.
 
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Mëtal Bikër said:
Doesn't feel nice, does it.

Maybe you should be as vocal in calling out your fellow remainers when they do it constantly.

Might take your faux outrage more seriously if that were the case.
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blueinsa said:
More faux outrage.

Fucking masters of it as you have all gone full on scouse over brexit.

The finishing line must be in sight you can tell.
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Careful guys - you know his routine - provoke people into arguing and run away acting the victim and calling for the cavalry
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I know you’ve not asked the question of me, but I’ll respond as I raised the issue in the first place. It will, at the very least, manifest itself as a significant decline in respect towards the elderly, with a decrease in financial support for pensioners providing a path of much less resistance than hitherto, if leaving turns out to be an economic disaster. The ‘young’ will want the ‘old’ to disproportionately share the burden that they perceive was their doing.

Do you think otherwise?
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It looks as thought the 'old# are taking away freedom and opportunities from the young. Add to that the economic disparity between the two and housing security that the 'old' have compared to the majority of young people then it is easy to see where the divide would be

How that actually manifests itself is up for debate, though. Maybe a left-wing revolution after all?
 
BobKowalski said:
Translation. ‘I have got no counter to what you said’
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Nope - in fact I have just countered/answered in a reply to another poster

You are not living in the here and now of October 2019 - accordingly your suggestions are pure nonsense
 
mcfc1632 said:
Careful guys - you know his routine - provoke people into arguing and run away acting the victim and calling for the cavalry
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Quite ironic you using the word cavalry when yourself, blueinsa and metal biker are like the three brexiteers - all for one and one for all!
 
Blue Hefner said:
It looks as thought the 'old# are taking away freedom and opportunities from the young. Add to that the economic disparity between the two and housing security that the 'old' have compared to the majority of young people then it is easy to see where the divide would be

How that actually manifests itself is up for debate, though. Maybe a left-wing revolution after all?
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because of the resentment the referendum has caused, we'll end up going through it again in a few years when the "young" outweigh the "old" and want to go back in.
 
Blue Hefner said:
It looks as thought the 'old# are taking away freedom and opportunities from the young. Add to that the economic disparity between the two and housing security that the 'old' have compared to the majority of young people then it is easy to see where the divide would be

How that actually manifests itself is up for debate, though. Maybe a left-wing revolution after all?
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You raise a good point about the economic disparity, as baby-boomers have benefitted enormously from the rise in property values, which have created huge barriers of entry to the housing market for the young. You could see some redistributive moves in that regard, although the elderly’s huge voting block would provide a huge obstacle to that.

Either way, more divisions, lamentably.
 
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