Extinction Rebellion

Rascal said:
Cowardice! really.

What has the size of the country got to do with democratic expression, should the people of Hong Kong be dismissed because they are a small state protesting against a large one. I don't think they are "picking" on anybody, they are expressing their concerns which is well within their rights to do so. Like I said, I don't necessarily agree with their argument nor do I oppose it, but I definitely support their right to protest.
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The people of Hong Kong are protesting against an oppressive regime, Extinction rebellion are protesting against the western way of life and capitalism all together.

Climate change reversal won't happen unless the whole of the western world decides it doesn't want to live the way it currently does and no matter how grandiose the idea that just isn't going to happen, as i said earlier in another post too many, the majority, and by quite a distance, just don't give a fuck. They want new,new, new and want it now, now now.
 
inchy14 said:
But what are they actually protesting against? What do they really want to achieve? All they are doing is pissing off large swathes of the population with their antics that do nothing but inconvenience the average ma/woman on the street. When they glue themselves to buses or trains all it does is create more congestion, when they pull stunts like yesterday they end up closing roads which means other roads in the area become gridlocked meaning journeys take longer creating even more pollution than there would be if they stopped doing shit like this.

It's all well and good you comparing them to the suffragette movement but that was to bring about equality for women, this as @Ancient Citizen citizen points out is being done in a place where we're leading the world in change.
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If pissing off swathes of the population leads to change then it is a price that sometimes has to be paid. Emily Davison who killed herself for the rights of women certainly pissed off the large number of people who had bet on the Kings horse.

If they inconvenience people then that I am afraid is democracy in action. I am sure chopping off the Kings head inconvenienced him, but it lead to democracy.

Acceptance of the status quo is subversion to the powerful, there is no democracy in that, it is illiberalism in action and the those who oppose democratic expression are supporting illiberalism and authoritarianism. The right to be heard has to be sacrosanct whether we like it or not. I am totally against the ideology of the moronic EDL but I accept they have a right to protest and I support that right. They close down city centre's and make life awkward for people, still I support their right.

I am sure people on here would sometimes prefer the approach of the Chinese in Tianeneman Square, where they used tanks to quell protestors.
 
inchy14 said:
The people of Hong Kong are protesting against an oppressive regime, Extinction rebellion are protesting against the western way of life and capitalism all together.

Climate change reversal won't happen unless the whole of the western world decides it doesn't want to live the way it currently does and no matter how grandiose the idea that just isn't going to happen, as i said earlier in another post too many, the majority, and by quite a distance, just don't give a fuck. They want new,new, new and want it now, now now.
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Good for them, it is there right in a democracy to do so.

Whether you agree with their cause or not is irrelevant.
 
blueinsa said:
McDonalds deliveries are all made with 100% use of bio fuel made from the fat used to dry in restaurants. True fact.
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That is a good reuse of resources and really the ammount of fat we bin/ put down the drain that could be reused is ridiculous
 
inchy14 said:
But what are they actually protesting against? What do they really want to achieve? All they are doing is pissing off large swathes of the population with their antics that do nothing but inconvenience the average ma/woman on the street. When they glue themselves to buses or trains all it does is create more congestion, when they pull stunts like yesterday they end up closing roads which means other roads in the area become gridlocked meaning journeys take longer creating even more pollution than there would be if they stopped doing shit like this.

It's all well and good you comparing them to the suffragette movement but that was to bring about equality for women, this as @Ancient Citizen citizen points out is being done in a place where we're leading the world in change.
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ER: "The UK needs to do more to halt climate change and the rise in greenhouse gases! We're all dying!!"

UK: "Okay, we hear you and agree. We're shifting focus on promoting greener energies, reducing CO2 emissions, moving to electric cars and developing it's infrastructure for daily lives, recycling more and reducing waste"

ER: ".........NOT GOOD ENOUGH! *sprays blood water*"

*laughs in China*
 
Rascal said:
Cowardice! really.

What has the size of the country got to do with democratic expression, should the people of Hong Kong be dismissed because they are a small state protesting against a large one. I don't think they are "picking" on anybody, they are expressing their concerns which is well within their rights to do so. Like I said, I don't necessarily agree with their argument nor do I oppose it, but I definitely support their right to protest.
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Yes, cowardice, and still no answers on why they pick the easy targets.
They won't attack the culprits, just the ones doing their bit.
I ask again, why?
 
urban genie said:
We have a man at work who makes bio fuel from used cooking oil.
You would deny peoples right to protest here where they are free to or are you saying you would like a police state so they don'y bother you?
Are thhey really that irritating? When deansgate was blockaded it never disrupted me if I couldn't drive down it I walked.
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I have just said, I support the right to protest. What I won't support is ordinary citizens being harassed and stopped from working by a group that's using these tactics against one of the very few countries that actually gives a fuck about climate change.
They know the consequences of real protest, one that may get real support, they won't scream and disrupt where it matters.
 
Rascal said:
Good for them, it is there right in a democracy to do so.

Whether you agree with their cause or not is irrelevant.
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Well as long as their right to protest only affects the average man on the street then all they'll actually achieve is pissing those off who they should be getting on their side.

And as @Ancient Citizen says above they're picking the wrong targets in the first place.
 
Rascal said:
If they inconvenience people then that I am afraid is democracy in action.
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What a twisted interpretation of democracy that is. Democracy provides for people to express their opinions and to take part in demonstrations, protests and what have you. That does not include wanton vandalism, putting peoples lives at risk (with drones over airports etc) and generally acting like utter twats.

I suppose utter twats are inclined to act like utter twats though, so maybe they can't help it.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Yes, cowardice, and still no answers on why they pick the easy targets.
They won't attack the culprits, just the ones doing their bit.
I ask again, why?
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Because you have to start somewhere, attract attention, grow the movement.

You don't suddenly become something from nothing. Like I said they could have been waving placards at Speakers corner for months and attracted no attention, yesterday they got loads of attention, media went nuts, even you now know who they are.

Job Done....chapeau to them for having the initiative.
 
Chippy_boy said:
What a twisted interpretation of democracy that is. Democracy provides for people to express their opinions and to take part in demonstrations, protests and what have you. That does not include wanton vandalism, putting peoples lives at risk (with drones over airports etc) and generally acting like utter twats.

I suppose utter twats are inclined to act like utter twats though, so maybe they can't help it.
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It does whether you like it or not. Direct action led to Peterloo, it got us votes, would you decry Peterloo?
 
Ancient Citizen said:
I have just said, I support the right to protest. What I won't support is ordinary citizens being harassed and stopped from working by a group that's using these tactics against one of the very few countries that actually gives a fuck about climate change.
They know the consequences of real protest, one that may get real support, they won't scream and disrupt where it matters.
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It is ordinary citizens doing the protesting, people with concerns, in a democracy you have to allow that.

I repeat I despise the EDL , but I respect their right to assembly and protest, people on here by decrying the actions of Extinction rebellion are supporting authoritarian methods of control of the people.

You are being anti democratic.
 
Rascal said:
It is ordinary citizens doing the protesting, people with concerns, in a democracy you have to allow that.

I repeat I despise the EDL , but I respect their right to assembly and protest, people on here by decrying the actions of Extinction rebellion are supporting authoritarian methods of control of the people.

You are being anti democratic.
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No I am not. You are supporting tossers committing (in some cases) criminal acts.
 
Chippy_boy said:
No I am not. You are supporting tossers committing (in some cases) criminal acts.
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I am not supporting extinction rebellion, I am supporting their democratic right to protest just as I would never support the Moronic EDL but support their right to protest.

Because I believe in the democratic right to protest and you obviously do not based on who it is protesting
 
Rascal said:
I am not supporting extinction rebellion, I am supporting their democratic right to protest just as I would never support the Moronic EDL but support their right to protest.

Because I believe in the democratic right to protest and you obviously do not based on who it is protesting
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I didn't say you were supporting extinction rebellion. I said you were supporting tossers. I also said, and I quote, "Democracy provides for people to express their opinions and to take part in demonstrations, protests and what have you."

So less of the "obviously you do not" bollocks.

Are you supporting criminal acts as part of "democratic protest"? It would seem you are, comrade.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I didn't say you were supporting extinction rebellion. I said you were supporting tossers.

Are you supporting criminal acts as part of "democratic protest"?
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It is up to the police to decide what is a criminal act, just like the EDL if extinction rebellion break the law then they should face the consequences.

Disrupting peoples daily lives is not against the law, so that is fine. If the police get heavy handed over peaceful protest then we are in trouble. A police state looms large.
 
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