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mcfc1632 said:
Ha ha - Let's just agree to disagree - I will take comfort in being right though.

That last line shows the level of your ignorance on the subject of the backstop - and what would follow if we were to sign up to an 'unfettered' backstop, there is a clue in the word.

We would not be able to prove bad faith nor succeed in arbitration if there was so much as a AA battery anywhere near the border.

The backstop would certainly be invoked and it would be imposed for many years doing massive damage to the UK - it is a better outcome for the EU than us Remaining. Why do you think that the UK are sooooooo keen to get rid of it and the EU so keen to retain

I don't want that - nor should you if the UK's future means more to you than making petty points on an internet forum.

Some on here are capable of lying to themselves in their desperation and ignorance - don't worry - you are not alone
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I don't want to leave ? How can it be my fault ffs? Scrap the stupid fucking thing= solved.

A 'soft Brexit' = solved.

I am damaging the UK's future by not wanting to inflict stuff on the Irish they don't want, but you, by insisting on doing so, are safeguarding it ? Does that factor in the IRA or will they just go along with it ?


I agree, as I repeatedly keep saying, that if we don't find a solution to the Irish border problem, the backstop would be invoked & have said, that I don't believe we will find a solution, therefore the backstop would be invoked, indefinitely.

The old deal is shite. Bozo's so called 'deal' is also shite. Brexit is shite.

If there was a GENUINE solution to the Irish border problem, there would be NO BACKSTOP.

Put the border 100% in the sea= no backstop.

But that would involve us, who instigated this fucking shit show, sorting it out ourselves, rather than forcing the EU & Ireland to sort it out for us.

It's US who are leaving them, not them who are leaving us. IT'S OUR DOING, OUR PROBLEM.

The backstop is their protection. They will not drop it, unless a solution is found.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Top 5 measurable benefits:
1) Brexit means Brexit
2) Taking back control
3) Let's get Brexit done
4) errr...
5) ...that's it

Please fill in as appropriate

Blue passports .... you forgot the French made Bluepassports






The Irony
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Not having to stand in same line as those Frenchies, Spanish, Germans and all those other Johnny Foreigners coming back through passport control at Manchester Airport.

How many trade deals have we got lined up for November the 1st? The government should be shouting from the roof tops about these.
 
blueinsa said:
Change UK, SNP, Greens, some Labour and Tories and the liberal Democrats right wing cunts?

Stop solely blaming one side.

Not only is it wrong, it stops you from moving onto the reality of what Brexit is right across the political spectrum.
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It is the demand by right wingers, that only a right wing Brexit is acceptable, which is the ONLY thing preventing us from leaving.

There is no solution, to the problem of leaving under a right wing Brexit. They can't find a way to do it, still, after 3 years ( not that they care, look at them, they are delighted ). They are still trying to get out without a deal ( they know the EU 'caving in' is bullshit but it sells well ) & it's purely about them not taking the blame for any of it.

You have seen on here, how some leave voters & most remain voters would have reluctantly accepted a 'soft' Brexit, which was also fully ok for Farage etc during the referendum campaign.

But they 'won'. So that all changed.

We can't leave, we can't remain, because those cunts want 100% of everything, because they 'won'.

It's not funny imo.
 
hgblue said:
Quite a lot of Remainers had no affection for the EU and would have voted Leave if the PM and Chancellor hadn’t scared them to death with their lies. Both sides can play that game ;)
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I would definitely have voted leave if it was not for Farage
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Not totally abolish it but tighter controls and a sensible solution to curb the rising population in our country - I get immigration has benefited us in so many ways and for certain services it’s very much needed however the negative is too many people provide a huge burden on housing, jobs, waiting lists and even getting on a train! Many areas of the county can not cope with the huge influx of people.
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You're probably not just experiencing the influx of migrants tho .... The cities in the UK are seeing population growth from rural areas... my three kids have now all left home and they have moved into towns and cities. Our village has very very few people in the 18 / 30 bracket ... we're either older or very young.

and the fact that waiting lists and infrastructure haven't kept up is the Governments fault ....
 
Neville Kneville said:
As you are unable to comprehend English in one go, I'll try again:

When you first came to my attention, it was due to a post where you were making a speech about how you & your chums had every right to be much more upset about Brexit, than us who have had it inflicted on us.

And your theme seemed to be that was because 'no deal' had been destroyed (the EU would otherwise 'cave in' ) & Brexit would therefore not happen, thanks to.'remainers'.

Nowardays you are bullish about being right about Brexit happening & the success of the threat of 'no deal' which presumably is therefore, still in existence, rather than having been removed ?

So were you talking shit then, or are you talking shit now ?

Or are you Boris Johnson, therefore so as long as you are saying 'something' you are happy, irrespective of whether it's total shite or not & it's mostly pure bollocks ?

Imo it's option 3.
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You cannot draw breath long enough to comprehend what you are reading and consider how to post in a coherent manner. You are so keen to jump in with an insult that you don't realise how daft you make yourself look.

You want to answer what you want to answer - rather than what was posted and you are replying to - so you blunder in and spout irrelevant bollocks. I even bolded some key words in the last post to help you with your comprehension.

I am not sure whether to put you out of your misery and explain - in very simple language that even you might understand - or give you another go at reading and writing English words with the use of some comprehension?

Tell you what - I will give you a clue and see if you can apply even a tiny amount of comprehension skills:

I was utterly correct 'then' and I am undoubtedly utterly correct 'now' - absolutely consistent.
 
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mcfc1632 said:
You cannot draw breath long enough to comprehend what you are reading and consider how to post in a coherent manner. You are so keen to jump in with an insult that you don't realise how daft you make yourself look.

You want to answer what you want to answer - rather than what was posted and you are replying to - so you blunder in and spout irrelevant bollocks.

I am not sure whether to put you out of your misery and explain - in very simple language that even you might understand - or give you another go at reading and writing English words with the use of some comprehension?

Tell you what - I will give you a clue and see if you can apply even a tiny amount of comprehension skills:

I was utterly correct 'then' and I am undoubtedly utterly correct 'now' - absolutely consistent.
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As I said: Boris Johnson.
 
Neville Kneville said:
I don't want to leave ? How can it be my fault ffs? Scrap the stupid fucking thing= solved.

A 'soft Brexit' = solved.

I am damaging the UK's future by not wanting to inflict stuff on the Irish they don't want, but you, by insisting on doing so, are safeguarding it ? Does that factor in the IRA or will they just go along with it ?


I agree, as I repeatedly keep saying, that if we don't find a solution to the Irish border problem, the backstop would be invoked & have said, that I don't believe we will find a solution, therefore the backstop would be invoked, indefinitely.

The old deal is shite. Bozo's so called 'deal' is also shite. Brexit is shite.

If there was a GENUINE solution to the Irish border problem, there would be NO BACKSTOP.

Put the border 100% in the sea= no backstop.

But that would involve us, who instigated this fucking shit show, sorting it out ourselves, rather than forcing the EU & Ireland to sort it out for us.

It's US who are leaving them, not them who are leaving us. IT'S OUR DOING, OUR PROBLEM.

The backstop is their protection. They will not drop it, unless a solution is found.
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Another post of just rambling

We get it - you don't want Brexit - you want it all scrapped. All you have just written is simply bollocks born out of your frustration and not being able to shout people down - It is not anyone else's fault if you cannot read and take things on board.

When you go on holiday and are in situations where a local cannot understand what you are saying (a frequent occurrence I am sure) - I bet your answer is to say exactly the same thing in an increasingly loud and shouty voice
 
Vic said:
Do you really believe that nonsense? May, Robbins (and a succession of Brexit secretaries) were somehow "choreographed" into declaring red lines, Brexit is Brexit, and all the other unicorns and cakes... it's palpable nonsense. We all know along with collusion and collaboration and surrender and betrayal it's all part of a new dishonest narrative as to why Brexit hasn't happened.
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All the trigger words deployed there, pity I thought we were trying to conduct this debate rationally. The facts are clear enough - just watch the actual footage in the BBC documentary 58' in. From the moment May was installed as PM instead of a leaver, the Tory remain majority were in charge. Successive Brexit Secretaries were undermined as they tried to recover a serious negotiating position. May's red lines were purely decorative, the EU's objectives of an upfront divorce settlement and no trade talks until after we left were never challenged and our agreement to the indefinite Irish Protocol provisions made the WA unpassable in the HoC. The ERG undeniably played a major part in this fiasco as it dragged on and on but they were actually empowered by the remainer camp's tactics.
 
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SWP's back said:
So what’s the current score?

Boris likely to get his deal through Parliament?
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If the EU were to accept it, he would have a chance imo, as his Stormtroopers have now decided that they only object to one thing, he's bribed the Unionists with an opportunity to fuck up the GFA & another billion quid & the Tory rebels plus a section of Labour MPs want to get it done.

Unfrotunately, the EU think he's taking the piss.

Perhaps having a vote in Parliament prior to the EU agreeing would be his best option, then Parliament will likely fuck it off before the EU fucks it off & either way he 'did his best'.
 
Neville Kneville said:
If the EU were to accept it, he would have a chance imo, as his Stormtroopers have now decided that they only object to one thing, he's bribed the Unionists with an opportunity to fuck up the GFA & another billion quid & the Tory rebels plus a section of Labour MPs want to get it done.

Unfrotunately, the EU think he's taking the piss.

Perhaps having a vote in Parliament prior to the EU agreeing would be his best option, then Parliament will likely fuck it off before the EU fucks it off & either way he 'did his best'.
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Found this quite close to my thinking on his plan.
https://news.sky.com/story/a-brexit-extension-could-be-just-what-boris-johnson-wants-11827675
 
mcfc1632 said:
Another post of just rambling

We get it - you don't want Brexit - you want it all scrapped. All you have just written is simply bollocks born out of your frustration and not being able to shout people down - It is not anyone else's fault if you cannot read and take things on board.

When you go on holiday and are in situations where a local cannot understand what you are saying (a frequent occurrence I am sure) - I bet your answer is to say exactly the same thing in an increasingly loud and shouty voice
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Whilst you fail to realise they are actually speaking to you in English.

This is a typical reply from you, when given any specific points you haven't an answer for.

Nobody is fooled by it, but you obviously think they are.

Once again: Boris Johnson.
 
Neville Kneville said:
It is the demand by right wingers, that only a right wing Brexit is acceptable, which is the ONLY thing preventing us from leaving.

There is no solution, to the problem of leaving under a right wing Brexit. They can't find a way to do it, still, after 3 years ( not that they care, look at them, they are delighted ). They are still trying to get out without a deal ( they know the EU 'caving in' is bullshit but it sells well ) & it's purely about them not taking the blame for any of it.

You have seen on here, how some leave voters & most remain voters would have reluctantly accepted a 'soft' Brexit, which was also fully ok for Farage etc during the referendum campaign.

But they 'won'. So that all changed.

We can't leave, we can't remain, because those cunts want 100% of everything, because they 'won'.

It's not funny imo.
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The Brady amendment says you are wrong.
 
Blue Hefner said:
Top 5 measurable benefits:

1) Our control over our own policies will go from 99% to 100%, this is mostly cancer causing chemicals we will now be able to put in our children’s breakfasts though - great


2) Our infrastructure will be less strained with less immigration, however our NHS will suffer due to lack of workers

3) There won’t be the opportunity to blame the EU anymore for stuff our wretched government has done

4) Our fishing industry may improve, you know that huge industry so important to the UK, all 0.12% of our GDP

5) We’ll be able to get ripped off by the US and Donald fucking Trump in a new trade deal

Please fill in as appropriate
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I’ve tried to fill in honestly.
 
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