The truly ironic thing about the SNP and their infestation of parliament is that the majority, I would posit, a large one, of the English, would be rooting for them if they did get another vote.He is not he is saying that at the time of the Scots ref they were promised they could stay in the union and the eu . Fact
However since then ( as things move on) there has been a referendum and leave the eu won in the uk . Fact.
That does change things and the snp are using that change as a means of canvassing a new referendum on leaving those nasty English.
That’s it. Do it. Have one. Things will change if we leave the eu but as I say that is entirely for the Scots. Circumstances will have changed.
If it means I don’t have to listen to the acceptable face of xenophobia, which is shouting anti English crap whilst wearing a suit , then it’s another brexit dividend for me.
This is a "No Deal Scenario" argument from you. I don't advocate a no deal exit from the EU.But what about the cooperative agreements that solely benifit the UK aswell? Surely there is always going to be a level of a oportune relationship given proximity, my impression was that Britain had secured itself that trough it's various opt outs within the EU. Why wouldn't the UK have been able to continue in that way? And why was this not the level of relationship that is "exactly oportune"? Surely, given that the UK always had a yes/no choice on joining with various EU programs, one asumed that the UK had always secured it's best interrests with the relation it had to the EU so far.
This is a "No Deal Scenario" argument from you. I don't advocate a no deal exit from the EU.
The numerous opt-out shown how much the UK does not agree with the EU and the direction it is going.
Now if only there was a European Trade Organisation which did not advocate a customs union, political integration and focused solely on the beneficial aspects of tarriff free trade...
It would be a lot easier than the Irish border. Only 96 miles and 4 main roads in and out, of which the vast majority of traffic goes along only 2. Also no prospect of a re-start to a terrorist campaign.There would be no easy solution to a border, if we were no longer in the EU.
So, like with Brexit, it would lead to a total fucking shitshow, obviously.
It's sad that a lot of the Brexit supporters such as yourself would be glad to see the back of Scotland and see them as a drain on England.The truly ironic thing about the SNP and their infestation of parliament is that the majority, I would posit, a large one, of the English, would be rooting for them if they did get another vote.
Plus, they must be racists to want to do such a thing. Now that they've seen exactly what would happen if they did, they would need time to change their minds, after all, everyone should have that right.But the people of Scotland don't even know about the full ramifications of leaving the UK. It's too complicated, 300+ years of union, tied up legalities, for ordinary voters of Scotland to understand, and the majority probably don't care about them anyway,. For those reasons alone, they should not be consulted on their membership of the UK union.
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1) It could (unless the EU voted to abolise vetos, but that's not the point i'm raising here.) The point i'm making is, we have so many veto's that other EU nations have adopted. It's clear, politically, that our two paths are not following the same direction. We are effectively, with our numerous vetos not a 'member' in the sense that the EU wishes for all it's members to follow the same path. So why not call a spade a spade and have us join another European trade organisation, one that is more in tune with what the UK wanted from a trade relationship with Europe.I think you misunderstood. I don't advocate a no deal, i know you don't advocate it either, and neither am i arguing that going out of the EU automaticly means no deal.
The question i asked is:
1) why wouldn't the UK have be able to continue to use opt outs within the EU as to maintain an optimal relationship while staying in the EU?
2) why would any other relationship be more oportune than the one the UK has now?
It's sad that a group like the SNP are in the UK parliament.It's sad that a lot of the Brexit supporters such as yourself would be glad to see the back of Scotland and see them as a drain on England.
Are there any other parts of the UK you would like to bin off?
As I recall they were given one and turned independence down, the absurdity is we still have a group of nationalists infesting parliament. I suppose it's marginally preferable to them wandering about sticking chewing gum in the doorlocks of folk they think should move south.Why are the English establishment so against a Scottish referendum then?
I'm surprised your comment isn't getting likes off certain people on here. ;)Plus, they must be racists to want to do such a thing. Now that they've seen exactly what would happen if they did, they would need time to change their minds, after all, everyone should have that right.
They must have been seduced by the Murdoch press and that fascist Sturgeon, how could they be so stupid?
Would we be able to claim a Scottish (and therefore EU) passport?It would be a lot easier than the Irish border. Only 96 miles and 4 main roads in and out, of which the vast majority of traffic goes along only 2. Also no prospect of a re-start to a terrorist campaign.
Not that I'm advocating it. I think it would be bad for the whole of the UK if Scotland seceded, but if they seceded and managed to re-join the EU, it wouldn't be as bad for them as it is for us.
Merseyside, if you’re asking.It's sad that a lot of the Brexit supporters such as yourself would be glad to see the back of Scotland and see them as a drain on England.
Are there any other parts of the UK you would like to bin off?
Many in Scotland have the same opinion of England, that we're "holding them back".It's sad that a lot of the Brexit supporters such as yourself would be glad to see the back of Scotland and see them as a drain on England.
Are there any other parts of the UK you would like to bin off?
They're not English, they're Scouse, lad ;)Merseyside, if you’re asking.
It's sad that a lot of the Brexit supporters such as yourself would be glad to see the back of Scotland and see them as a drain on England.
Are there any other parts of the UK you would like to bin off?
We asked for the EU to reform, we got told "just veto".Thats another mater afcourse. If it follows simply from the desire to be able to make youre own trade deals then there is nothing to argue against and afcourse the UK is free to leave for that reason. However my reply to you followed on the impression you seemed to convey that there would be some urgency to leave the EU in the face of various reforms happening in Europe. AKa as you expressed it innitially, it seemed that the reforms of the EU was the primary reason to leave.
We are effectively, with our numerous vetos not a 'member' in the sense that the EU wishes for all it's members to follow the same path.
So why not call a spade a spade and have us join another European trade organisation, one that is more in tune with what the UK wanted from a trade relationship with Europe.
Why is it so frustrating talking to you. It's like you make up your own interpretation of what's said.Thats a weird reflection. The EU has various partners in different levels of cooperation and this seems to work fine. There was only one who ever was to get "the UK deal" afcourse, and that more reflected some advantage the UK had for being a early member imho.
Well it would just be "about the name" then, atleast if the perception that with it's opt out's the UK had positioned itself into the best relation it could have with the EU.
If you want to call a spade a spade, then i think youre previous point regarding "making youre own trade agreements" is more telling. It simply comes across (for the EU) as the UK being willing to reposition itself from a relation where it was in the customs union by choice, to a relation where now it would be out of it by choice.
Please explain how, it is always likely and if not corrected we never learn. I would add that the wellspring of the rich founding member states is deeper than the rest. Their political and economic ambitions are consequently greater than the others and require heavier financial burdens to be borne along the way. Those states who do not share that overarching vision are happy to enjoy the cartel's benefits without the extra superstate bonus or the sacrifices needed to achieve it. That most of them do not regard federalization as desirable is the EU's unsustainable fault line.
We asked for the EU to reform, we got told "just veto".