Another new Brexit thread

[Vic]

https://infacts.org/if-pm-breaks-la...tyyeKrSGoIX_hhS1MhJhchhNHjq1KwXz0vsOghKx3FqRA

From a lawyer I know, this seems legally sound.

hold on to your butts.

I've said we could end up with no-one knowing on 1st November whether we have left. Half our MEPs continue in the European Parliament, but Farage and his gang close their offices in Brussels and return any salary the EU pays them...

 

[Metal Biker]

I think the reason those type of deals were rejected out of hand at the time was being at odds with having a land border with the EU/the GFA (would need to re-read up on them tho to be certain)

Well my point is that Canada/Japan are in the same position as Norway, aren't they. They must accept rules the EU decides. Anyone wishing to trade with the EU must do so.

 

[joe123]

Well my point is that Canada/Japan are in the same position as Norway, aren't they. They must accept rules the EU decides. Anyone wishing to trade with the EU must do so.

ah sorry, i missed your point, but yep, we'll be taking rules from them in any trade deal.

 

[Vic]

It is now. But then they said that before, and Maastricht came along. Then Lisbon. What will the next treaty order it's members to do in order to remain part of the "club"?

If your answer to this is "but we have a veto", i'm afraid you'll never quite understand leaver's ire about this topic.

How many of the 52% actually could tell you what the Lisbon Treaty changed?

 

[stonerblue]

OK - soooo

Forgive me if you running for cover - just another poster doing exactly the same when faced with 'manning up' - leads me to assume that my final point was correct:

"If not - don't expect me not to consider you to be proven an hypocrite"

You can of course correct that by pulling up NK or other Remain posters when they post gratuitous insults - I will keep an eye out and duly commend your demonstration of balance when I see these comments

No mate, i simply didn't understand your last sentence.
If NK's posts were constantly whinging at a rate of 5 a day about leavers being insulting and nasty then he went on to be insulting and nasty i'm sure i'd pull him up on it.
As for 'manning up' and 'running for cover' once again i'm not sure what you're on about.

 

[west didsblue]

Well done for not explaining it yourself.

Why should I bother. You could easily find out on the web and judging by previous discussions you'd totally misunderstand the point anyway.

 

[Vic]

Economic alignment requires a level of political integration. You can be out of the EU and be in the Single Market like Norway but Norway still has to abide by the rules and laws that govern the Single Market. And the rules and laws are set by 27 other countries not Norway. Absenting the political side of the coin just means you can’t influence, propose or set those rules and laws.

Don’t get me wrong I can live with that as it means Freedom of Movement etc and maybe even a majority of the country can live with it but the Brexit Party et al would not live with it.

Even a bog standard FTA means we have to accept EU rules and standards as a pre-requisite ie the ‘level playing field’ plus we would still have Dublin demanding the border status quo be maintained otherwise no FTA.

This is an argument and fight over power and who wields it. Trade is incidental. Even the U.K. Govt accepts we will not get what our economy requires. There will be barriers and there will be increased friction on trade. The only question is how much, who gets to set the terms and how do we prevent the peace accord in NI unravelling. And we have about 10 days to do this is in.

I'm torn now between wanting an extension and Johnson being in jail for contempt. Both would be best.

 

[west didsblue]

No mate, i simply didn't understand your last sentence.
If NK's posts were constantly whinging at a rate of 5 a day about leavers being insulting and nasty then he went on to be insulting and nasty i'm sure i'd pull him up on it.
As for 'manning up' and 'running for cover' once again i'm not sure what you're on about.

It's just verbal diarrhoea.
Ignore it.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

ah sorry, i missed your point, but yep, we'll be taking rules from them in any trade deal.

Well any company who chooses to sell goods in any country be it Spain Portugal Mongolia or Russia needs to comply with the laws of the territory in which they are selling products

If we leave those companies in the uk who currently comply with the laws of the eu to which they sell their products are still the day after we leave going to still comply with the rules of the eu.

 

[Metal Biker]

Why should I bother. You could easily find out on the web and judging by previous discussions you'd totally misunderstand the point anyway.

Because you don't know yourself what the "point" was. :)

I've told you mine; Canada is in the same boat as Norway in regards to accepting EU rules. It's an irrelevant point to raise as anyone who wishes to trade with the EU has two options; accept their rules in order to trade, OR become a fully paid up member, get ignored, veto the things you don't like... and STILL have to accept the EU's rules.

Ooh decisions, decisions...

P.S. Did you effectively just tell me to "Google it"? I expect someone reading that will be smiling at your hypocrisy.

 

[Vic]

Well any company who chooses to sell goods in any country be it Spain Portugal Mongolia or Russia needs to comply with the laws of the territory in which they are selling products

If we leave those companies in the uk who currently comply with the laws of the eu to which they sell their products are still the day after we leave going to still comply with the rules of the eu.

And the UK can accept any old rubbish.

 

[stonerblue]

It's just verbal diarrhoea.
Ignore it.

I love how he's accusing me of hypocrisy.

 

[joe123]

Well any company who chooses to sell goods in any country be it Spain Portugal Mongolia or Russia needs to comply with the laws of the territory in which they are selling products

If we leave those companies in the uk who currently comply with the laws of the eu to which they sell their products are still the day after we leave going to still comply with the rules of the eu.

Granted, my knowledge of the complexities of international trade is limited. It just worries me greatly that we're leaving the biggest bloc in the world and putting faith in our very own secretary of state for international trade, who lets face facts, whether you're leave or remain, is a fucking imbecile.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Granted, my knowledge of the complexities of international trade is limited. It just worries me greatly that we're leaving the biggest bloc in the world and putting faith in our very own secretary of state for international trade, who lets face facts, whether you're leave or remain, is a fucking imbecile.

Yep there is that.....

 

[Metal Biker]

Granted, my knowledge of the complexities of international trade is limited. It just worried me greatly that we're leaving the biggest bloc in the world and putting faith in our very own secretary of state for international trade, who lets face facts, whether you're leave or remain, is a fucking imbecile.

We're advocating leaving the political aspect the bloc seems desperate to become, but keeping connections to the economic bloc, whihc, let's face it, is all anyone really cares about. Granted there are some who want us to hand more sovereignty over to Brussels, accept the Euro, join Schengen and the Eurozone. There's not many willing to go that far, though.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

And the UK can accept any old rubbish.

Have you been to cheetham hill?

 

[George Hannah]

Yes it's a bastard how those 35 SNP mps are allowed to out vote all the English mps to prevent England leaving the EU. Does every SNP mp vote count 10. We haven't left because English mps can't agree.

Every single MP who didn't support Brexit is equally culpable, they failed to honour the referendum result as promised.

 

[Vic]

Because you don't know yourself what the "point" was. :)

I've told you mine; Canada is in the same boat as Norway in regards to accepting EU rules. It's an irrelevant point to raise as anyone who wishes to trade with the EU has two options; accept their rules in order to trade, OR become a fully paid up member, get ignored, veto the things you don't like... and STILL have to accept the EU's rules.

Ooh decisions, decisions...

P.S. Did you effectively just tell me to "Google it"? I expect someone reading that will be smiling at your hypocrisy.

I'm rather confused now. Are the EU's deals with Japan and Canada a Good Thing or not?

 

[Vic]

We're advocating leaving the political aspect the bloc seems desperate to become, but keeping connections to the economic bloc, whihc, let's face it, is all anyone really cares about. Granted there are some who want us to hand more sovereignty over to Brussels, accept the Euro, join Schengen and the Eurozone. There's not many willing to go that far, though.

Are we keeping connections? "No deal" means you don't know what connections we'll keep.

 

[joe123]

We're advocating leaving the political aspect the bloc seems desperate to become, but keeping connections to the economic bloc, whihc, let's face it, is all anyone really cares about. Granted there are some who want us to hand more sovereignty over to Brussels, accept the Euro, join Schengen and the Eurozone. There's not many willing to go that far, though.

I do get the political aspect of things and why people don't like the EU for it. It's just not an issue for me as I can't think of anything I massively oppose that's ever been enforced on us. Also, I do find it a bit surprising that so many Brits do - we've always been a situation since the war where more people vote for other parties than the government, so in terms of accepting things we didn't vote for, we've always done it!