Another new Brexit thread

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mancity2012_eamo said:
They should do the honourable thing like Sinn Fein, and not take their seats?
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I really don't know how most of them managed the oath (being professed republicans) or what the significance of raising their right hand was either. I think it may be a Scottish version of crossed fingers behind their back.
"I do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, her heirs and successors, according to law."
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
So what? if they want to diverge they can’t trade with the eu , if they want to trade with the eu companies they should not diverge and continue to comply with the eu laws in which their goods are supplied . It should be easy for them because they should already comply .

Same as if I was in a company and traded within Russia , if I want to continue to trade in Russia I need to comply with the laws of Russia
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Yes, but if a UK company wants to carry on trading with an EU company ( and vice versa) then if they don't do it under the umbrella of a FTA between the two countries ( or MOAs) then individual agreements between suppliers and customers would be needed which would then require dispensation to get through customs and regulatory checks at the border.
There would also be problems with the laws governing any failure to comply with the rules since there would be no common law governing disputes and resolutions between the EU and the UK.
 
Len Rum said:
Yes, but if a UK company wants to carry on trading with an EU company ( and vice versa) then if they don't do it under the umbrella of a FTA between the two countries ( or MOAs) then individual agreements between suppliers and customers would be needed which would then require dispensation to get through customs and regulatory checks at the border.
There would also be problems with the laws governing any failure to comply with the rules since there would be no common law governing disputes and resolutions between the EU and the UK.
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The same with companies all over the world trading internationally or even locally.

You do know that if a manchester company wants to sell goods in Manchester it has to apply with laws and regulations in Manchester and there are checks through trading standards , laws and industry watchdogs, Societies , Hmrc, ombudsman and others to make sure they do.

You do know that international contracts can specify the law which governs that contract? . you do know that for example an American company trading with an Australian company may choose English courts to resolve a dispute in the contract. There is a jurisdiction clause in the boiler plate section of most contracts Len. Why do you think we have loads of lawyers in London? They are not advising on uk divorces or domestic matter, most of the magic and silver circle are advising international companies all over the world on contracts and disputes globally out of their London office and if it’s a dispute often through the London court.

Even if the contract does not specify courts can determine whether they have jurisdiction.

The English courts every single day determine commercial disputes between companies which aren’t even in the eu.

I am not suggesting it’s going to be easier out of the eu to trade within the eu , but the way you go on about you would think there s a huge wall around the eu and the only goods and services that happen are those within the eu. Goods and services flow into and out of the eu every second of everyday, have done since the eu was formed and will continue to do so.
 
Vic said:
I guess that clears up which nationality you feel able to be racist about.
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the Greeks?

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Mëtal Bikër said:
Yeah you've lost the plot here.

You initially wanted to correct me by saying I should stop using the term "we" as it was a "leave decision". I corrected you by saying the "we" meant "UK" in the context that "WE (the UK, as that is where I live) have vetos". Not that the "we" implied leavers.

Again, you're having an argument i'm not even having, and now continuing it. Yes, we lost last night, sucks but aim your anger at someone else, k?
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Careful - you know how these sorts of exchanges go.....

You are not going to get any acceptance of what is abundantly clear to anyone objective reading the exchange - I suggest being careful of getting sucked into a simple and correct point you are making becoming a 'personal argument'
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
How on earth can you say that ?

You have simply made that up , I have never heard a leaver say let’s leave the Eu and get rid of Scotland as well

What I have heard and read on the last few pages is a respect for the people of Scotland to decide their own fate
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Thank you for outing that 'whopper' fabrication
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
I must have . England can’t kick scotland out of the U.K. against Scotland’s wishes ????
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It is just straight forward being disingenuous / twisting

At least 2 people have stated the very obvious truth is that in the nonsensically stupid situation that should ever the English be included in a vote on Scottish independence then there would likely be a majority for Scotland to leave.

But it was clear that it was nothing like suggesting anything other than what would happen in the utterly ludicrously stupid/undemocratic alternate universe of such a thing ever occuring

That does not stop those locked in the need to try and have a point to prove - even if they do not have one - to fabricate what others have said.

It is a bit like a twist on an old adage:

"...If you have nothing sensible to say, you really should say nothing."

That would certainly be better than straight-forwardly misrepresenting the words of others to mean something that was not said in the attempt to make/score a cheap point
 
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mcfc1632 said:
It is just straight forward being disingenuous / twisting

At least 2 people have stated the very obvious truth that in the nonsensically stupid situation that should ever the English be included in a vote on Scottish independence then there would likely be a majority for Scotland to leave.

But it was clear that it was nothing like suggesting anything other than what would happen in the utterly ludicrously stupid/undemocratic alternate universe of such a thing ever occuring

That does not stop those locked in the need to try and have a point to prove - even if they do not have one - to fabricate what others have said.

It is a bit like a twist on an old adage:

"...If you have nothing sensible to say, you really should say nothing."

That would certainly be better than straight-forwardly misrepresenting the words of others to mean something that was not said in the attempt to make/score a cheap point
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Thanks for confirming my point.

Can’t see any mention of it being ludicrous in this post.
mcfc1632 said:
Just curious......

What do posters think would be the outcome on a Scotland indyref vote right now - if exclusively held amongst English voters?

Genuine question BTW
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Why would anyone genuinely ask a question about what they say is a ludicrous scenario?
 
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aguerrrroooooooooooo said:
My views aren't all that detailed or interesting mate.

I could simplify it down to that I don't think the mess over the last 3 years or so has been worth it, for something that to me at least appears to have no tangible benefits in mime and most people's everyday life.
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That is cool - not being particularly interested is no bad thing - there are time I wish that I was not

But then those of us that wish to see the UK break free from a trajectory that will surely see it on a continuous downwards spiral need to pick up that slack and ty all the harder to help the entire country - including those that are not really that bothered and those that have been simply unable to understand the reality of the EU's future
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
How on earth can you say that ?

You have simply made that up , I have never heard a leaver say let’s leave the Eu and get rid of Scotland as well

What I have heard and read on the last few pages is a respect for the people of Scotland to decide their own fate
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There are a few who have said exactly that. Could be genuine, could be wumming but they have said it.
 
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