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west didsblue said:
Another reason why the argument that a majority of Scots won't want independence after Brexit is absolute nonsense. I would say it's absolutely nailed on, especially in the event of No Deal.
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Nonsense? It would make no sense trying to unravel 300 years of integration in order to extract yourself from your principal frictionless market with virtually insuperable obstacles in the way of finding a new one. Brexit would kill any rational support for Scottish independence.
 
George Hannah said:
Nonsense? It would make no sense trying to unravel 300 years of integration in order to extract yourself from your principal frictionless market with the prospect of virtually insuperable ostacles to joining a new one.
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Leaving the EU makes no sense either but we voted for it.
Sentiment will play a huge part this time due to the fact that 62% of Scots wanted to stay in the EU and will see being dragged out against their will as a betrayal by Westminster.
 
west didsblue said:
Leaving the EU makes no sense either but we voted for it.
Sentiment will play a huge part this time due to the fact that 62% of Scots wanted to stay in the EU and will see being dragged out against their will as a betrayal by Westminster.
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The SNP know full well that Brexit means they are finished, sentiment doesn't come into it - the Scots are a rational and economically literate people. The UK leaving the EU makes perfect sense but regrettably they and their surrogates in Parliament won't let us out.
 
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Saddleworth2 said:
And the number of Scottish mps in Parliament (which governs the U.K.) is subservient to the number of English mps. Fact. That is the end of the matter until Scotland determines through a democratic vote wether it wishes to remain in the U.K.
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There are no "Scottish MP's" there are MP's from the region of Scotland who serve in the British Parliament.

You're certainly presenting nationalist sentiments by refering to Scotland in the manner that you are.
 
Chris in London said:
Probably not, in this particular instance. Scotch can’t compete on price against US produced whiskies, its USP in America is quality. Those who choose Scotch in the USA are largely making a discerning choice for which they accept they will have to pay more. The majority of those who choose to pay more for (as they see it) a superior product will probably continue to do so, they will just grumble about it. There will undoubtedly be some impact, but talk of losing a lot of its market share is off the mark.
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You might be right on that point. Is the same true for blended whiskey? I was looking up some figures, were talking about a roughly 4.5 billion $ worth export industry of which blended whiskey takes about 3 billion.

Undeniably though the 2 largest destinatios for export are the USA and Europe by far and it looks like the industry might be hit in both markets. I left it up for discussion just how much this would hurt given that a 25% tarrif slap seemed significant, youre input is welcome.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
There are no "Scottish MP's" there are MP's from the region of Scotland who serve in the British Parliament.

You're certainly presenting nationalist sentiments by refering to Scotland in the manner that you are.
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You said Scotland was a country yesterday.
Changed your mind again?
 
west didsblue said:
You said Scotland was a country yesterday.
Changed your mind again?
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Did I? When? Or have you taken what I've said out of context? (again)

I mean there's this;

Mëtal Bikër said:
England's not a country but Scotland is.

Didn't you get the memo? ;)
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But it's quite obviously meant as sarcasm, and was from 1 Aug, so i'm not sure which post you're on about.
 
west didsblue said:
You said Scotland was a country yesterday.
Changed your mind again?
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Scotland (Scots: Scotland, Scottish Gaelic: Alba [ˈal̪ˠapə] (listen)) is a country that is part of the United Kingdom
A country is a region that is identified as a distinct entity in political geography.

A country may be an independent sovereign state or part of a larger state,[1] as a non-sovereign or formerly sovereign political division, a physical territory with a government, or a geographic region associated with sets of previously independent or differently associated people with distinct political characteristics.
 
Breaking News on Sky

"A 10 Downing St source has said Angela Merkel has told BoJo a deal is now 'overwhelmingly unlikely' unless Northern Ireland stays in the customs union."

The prime minister also expressed his view that some in the EU are hoping a second referendum will reverse Brexit, but told Ms Merkel this won't happen.

A Number 10 source said the call was a "very useful clarifying moment in all sorts of ways", with the result that "a deal is essentially impossible not just now but ever".

The backstop is designed as an insurance mechanism to prevent a hard border on the island of Ireland, regardless of the future EU/UK trade relationship.


https://news.sky.com/story/angela-merkel-tells-pm-brexit-deal-overwhelmingly-unlikely-11830601
The End Game is looming.
 
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I thought the UK denoted it as a collection of kingdoms united under a single dynasty, but reality dictates that it isn't that anymore either. It looks more like a federation in practice.
 
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west didsblue said:
Leaving the EU makes no sense either but we voted for it.
Sentiment will play a huge part this time due to the fact that 62% of Scots wanted to stay in the EU and will see being dragged out against their will as a betrayal by Westminster.
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But it wasn't 62% of Scots, it was 62% of people in Scotland that voted on the day of the referendum. 1.66m people in a population of registered 4m voters of an estimated 5.4m populous. No matter how you slice it, that's not "62% of Scots".

Hey, you're always one of those correcting people whenever they phrase it as "52% of British people voted to leave".
 
FlemishDuck said:
I thought the UK denoted it as a collection of kingdoms united under a single dynasty, but reality dictates that it isn't that anymore either. It looks more like a federation in practice.
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The partial devolution has moved it that way, but it isn't really one at the moment. That would probably be tied down if a written constitution was created.
 
FlemishDuck said:
I thought the UK denoted it as a collection of kingdoms united under a single dynasty, but reality dictates that it isn't that anymore either. It looks more like a federation in practice.
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Not since it united it's Parliaments in 1707 and 1801 (the latter union since having been 'dissolved')
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Not since it united it's Parliaments in 1707 and 1801 (the latter union since having been 'dissolved')
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Well thanks for that tidbit. I think a point to make is "the grounds upon which Scotland innitially joined the Union". It came about because of royal claims right? Or to put it in a modern context, it's not like it came about trough an expressed desire of the scottish people trough self determination which in contemporary terms would present a better legal basis. My confusion can be accepted given that the name UK still refers to the basis upon which the union was found, just that the name doesn't nessecarily reflect so specificly what the politics of the country is.

Change it to "the parliament and peoples of great Britain .. SPQB?
 
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