Extinction Rebellion

[urban genie]

Just seen a dumb blonde activist interviewed on the BBC , she drives a diesel van and wants an electric car, but can't afford one but life would be better if she had one . How does she think the electric is produced to power the electric car she wants ?

That is an extremely weak rationale.

Yes electricity is produced burning fuel causing emissions, but the goal is the planet to go completely renewable, a short tem target though for anyone would be to go electric for your car and eliminate emissions from driving and go some way to helping for now.

To say because electric isn't yet fully planet friendly let's not bother at all is nonsense

 

[blueinsa]

Mad cow, wasn’t it?

Moooooooo

 

[Ancient Citizen]

I think saving the planet to these lot transcends borders and who is mates with whom and what country you are from.

It doesn't appear to transcend the Chinese and Indian borders, for some reason, these appear sacrosanct.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

We've seen pictures.

Adam Ant and Janis Joplin are so last week.

 

[Chris in London]

Mad cow, wasn’t it?

No, way after she’d retired. It was under the Blair government.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Just seen a dumb blonde activist interviewed on the BBC , she drives a diesel van and wants an electric car, but can't afford one but life would be better if she had one . How does she think the electric is produced to power the electric car she wants ?

If she's driving a diesel van, it would be a laugh if someone found out where she lives, went round and put it on bricks, sprayed it with slogans screaming "Fascist climate denier!!'
What a wonderful homecoming.
Who would she complain to?

 

[blueinsa]

If she's driving a diesel van, it would be a laugh if someone found out where she lives, went round and put it on bricks, sprayed it with slogans screaming "Fascist climate denier!!'
What a wonderful homecoming.
Who would she complain to?

The Guardian.

 

[Chippy_boy]

We've fucked the planets natural cycle up and killed off thousands of other species, you cannot deny that

Killed off thousands of species? Yes probably. So do ice ages and meteor impacts and long hot spells and God knows what other naturally occuring events. I don't think we're responsible for the extinction of woolley mammoths or sabre toothed tigers. That said I am mortified by hunting of rhinos, elephants, tigers, whales etc and am totally on board with any and all efforts to stop that.

Fucked the planets natural cycle? No. The planet is not especially warm by geological timescale standards. It's warmed rather quicker than normal that's all. In a couple of hundred years or so the carbon cycle will have picked up the strain and CO2 levels will have fallen and everyone will look back with a smile on the silliness that was the early 21st century climate change frenzy.

 

[inchy14]

We've fucked the planets natural cycle up and killed off thousands of other species, you cannot deny that

Thousands of species have died without any impact from man, they'll continue to do so with or without us. And when one species dies, another will replace it.

 

[blueinsa]

Thousands of species have died without any impact from man, they'll continue to do so with or without us. And when one species dies, another will replace it.

Over 80% of species estimated to have never even been identified yet we are told we are killing everything.

The circle of life and evolution goes on all around us and we are not ever going to stop it.

 

[inchy14]

I like a lot of what you post mate but your talking utter bollox here. Most of us won’t be around in 50 years but by then the planet could be well on the way to being irreversibly fucked. but hey I suppose we should just “get on with it” as that seems to be a common view with about 51% of people in the country

Its a fucking myth for fucks sake!!

The planet for humans to live on in the quantity we are may well end up being fucked but the planet on its own will continue just in a different guise.

I'm sick of hearing how we're fucking the planet up when what people mean is we might not survive on it, it alone will be here for a fucking long time after we've all passed on.

 

[inchy14]

That is an extremely weak rationale.

Yes electricity is produced burning fuel causing emissions, but the goal is the planet to go completely renewable, a short tem target though for anyone would be to go electric for your car and eliminate emissions from driving and go some way to helping for now.

To say because electric isn't yet fully planet friendly let's not bother at all is nonsense

And what's the carbon footprint in making all these new electric cars?

Is it more efficient to actually use the cars we have until they no longer are usable?

Would it not be better if we stopped manufacturing 'new' items all together and actually used what we have?

 

[Rascal]

Thousands of species have died without any impact from man, they'll continue to do so with or without us. And when one species dies, another will replace it.

Who will replace man?

 

[blueinsa]

Who will replace man?

Whatever evolution decides.

 

[Rascal]

Whatever evolution decides.

That does sound like meek acceptance of a dystopic future.

But it is a real question, if and its a big if the planet can no longer support the human race, why are people now arguing over how Greta Thurnberg got back from America. It is a miniscule point in a rather grand overall scheme. A lot of the points on this thread are miniscule in comparison, I don't know if we face extinction, I don't know how the loss of bio-diversity is affecting the planet, I am not a scientist, I cant make a difference on my own. But what I do think is if we kick the can down the road and use whataboutery around India and China, ridicule people who try to live a cleaner life and maybe help the planet be around for a little bit longer then the situation is not going to improve, it may stay the same, but surely it is better to act now than not act at all. I am not advocating for the stuff that ER are, I just wish we could all be a little more mindful of the future and stop using silly arguments and actually make a conscious effort to just do a little bit.

 

[blueinsa]

That does sound like meek acceptance of a dystopic future.

But it is a real question, if and its a big if the planet can no longer support the human race, why are people now arguing over how Greta Thurnberg got back from America. It is a miniscule point in a rather grand overall scheme. A lot of the points on this thread are miniscule in comparison, I don't know if we face extinction, I don't know how the loss of bio-diversity is affecting the planet, I am not a scientist, I cant make a difference on my own. But what I do think is if we kick the can down the road and use whataboutery around India and China, ridicule people who try to live a cleaner life and maybe help the planet be around for a little bit longer then the situation is not going to improve, it may stay the same, but surely it is better to act now than not act at all. I am not advocating for the stuff that ER are, I just wish we could all be a little more mindful of the future and stop using silly arguments and actually make a conscious effort to just do a little bit.

Its not a meek acceptance, its reality.

We wont be around forever and neither will Earth. 8 billion years left before the Sun becomes a red giant and we all go up in smoke.

No amount of protests is going to change that.

 

[urban genie]

And what's the carbon footprint in making all these new electric cars?

Is it more efficient to actually use the cars we have until they no longer are usable?

Would it not be better if we stopped manufacturing 'new' items all together and actually used what we have?

I have alreqdy said let's get the chariiots and horses back

Over 80% of species estimated to have never even been identified yet we are told we are killing everything.

The circle of life and evolution goes on all around us and we are not ever going to stop it.

That is from a canadia study and estimates, also the 80% was mainly of earth dwelling creatures and the uncharted depths of the seabed we could have already wiped them all out and never know for sure


Evolution is the natural order of things, we arw not dealing as a species with natural order.

The natural order isn't to flatten half the amazon to breed cattle, the natural order ian't to trophy hunt species to near extinction.

You cannot use evolution as an arguement for our own self harm.

 

[inchy14]

That does sound like meek acceptance of a dystopic future.

But it is a real question, if and its a big if the planet can no longer support the human race, why are people now arguing over how Greta Thurnberg got back from America. It is a miniscule point in a rather grand overall scheme. A lot of the points on this thread are miniscule in comparison, I don't know if we face extinction, I don't know how the loss of bio-diversity is affecting the planet, I am not a scientist, I cant make a difference on my own. But what I do think is if we kick the can down the road and use whataboutery around India and China, ridicule people who try to live a cleaner life and maybe help the planet be around for a little bit longer then the situation is not going to improve, it may stay the same, but surely it is better to act now than not act at all. I am not advocating for the stuff that ER are, I just wish we could all be a little more mindful of the future and stop using silly arguments and actually make a conscious effort to just do a little bit.

You do realise that man wasn't here from the very beginning? we will continue to evolve and i'd guess in a millennium will look slightly different than we do now.

We don't face extinction, absolutely no chance, we may suffer huge losses of people due to whatever changes occur but we won't all be wiped out.

 

[inbetween]

Over 80% of species estimated to have never even been identified yet we are told we are killing everything.

The circle of life and evolution goes on all around us and we are not ever going to stop it.

99% of everything that has ever lived is already extinct. There are numerous examples of almost 70+% extinction events and that is well before humans came along. The negative impact of humans is laughable when you look at the Earths history.

Even in our own personal existence we only see what 70-80 years? That's like a grain of sand on a beach in the Earths history. For some planets that time perid is an entire day.

These things seem to cross over into a weird kind of religious debate as though mother nature is looking after us and we need to be nice to her.

In actual fact 'she' doesn't exist and nature will kill us if the natural order of events are right (or wrong), ask the dinosaurs.

The fact is nature is brutal and life is both extremely short and rare so we just need to enjoy it the best we can because in the end no-one is going to live to tell the tale.

 

[Rascal]

You do realise that man wasn't here from the very beginning? we will continue to evolve and i'd guess in a millennium will look slightly different than we do now.

We don't face extinction, absolutely no chance, we may suffer huge losses of people due to whatever changes occur but we won't all be wiped out.

Your confidence is reassuring, however baseless it may be.