Nothing, yet.So the remain side lost , just wondering what the leave side have won ?
If nobody lied to you then what type of Brexit did you actually vote for ?
Because, (if i'm reading it right, you are talking about a second referendum) pretty much every media outlet has shoved this rhetoric down our throats that a second referendum would be unacceptably anti-democratic, quoting multiple leave commentators claiming we've already had one, and that it only seeks to overturn 'the will of the people'.
i don't see how being asked again is in any way undemocratic. it has been over three years, and whether outright lied to, or simply believing unfounded assumptions with best intent, so much has become (or should be) so much clearer, that surely the direction now evident is worth asking again.
There was a referendum in 1975 which overwhelmingly (properly overwhelmingly) determined that the UK should be part of the EU, so by its own logic, this brexit referendum was therefore wholly undemocratic as it seeks to overturn the decision of that referendum.
A second/confirmatory referendum does increasingly seem the only way out of this mess, with or without a GE.
imho.
Then there is no argument in holding a third.Because, (if i'm reading it right, you are talking about a second referendum) pretty much every media outlet has shoved this rhetoric down our throats that a second referendum would be unacceptably anti-democratic, quoting multiple leave commentators claiming we've already had one, and that it only seeks to overturn 'the will of the people'.
i don't see how being asked again is in any way undemocratic. it has been over three years, and whether outright lied to, or simply believing unfounded assumptions with best intent, so much has become (or should be) so much clearer, that surely the direction now evident is worth asking again.
There was a referendum in 1975 which overwhelmingly (properly overwhelmingly) determined that the UK should be part of the EU, so by its own logic, this brexit referendum was therefore wholly undemocratic as it seeks to overturn the decision of that referendum.
A second/confirmatory referendum does increasingly seem the only way out of this mess, with or without a GE.
imho.
.....back to the MP's and parliament we go as its them that have the power to give it you but wont.
Dont blame the media or leave voters.
Ask why they wont have one?
im not blaming leave voters. im blaming the media that repeatedly force that particar arguement by leave voters.
And yes, the MPs that dare not see past it or the taboo it has become.
Can someone explain to me how much the EU have moved from their initial stance they first adopted in Mays first feeble attempts, in the so called negotiations. It would seem to me that they won't negotiate anything they just state what they will accept. Or is that actually good negotiating skills. Haha. They clearly dont want us to leave but they also clearly want us to remain on their terms. They have allies in the House if Commons in the LIB Dems the Labour party and some Tories and appear to be relying on these people to overturn the 2016 vote, they have after all weakened the UKs ability to negotiate a favourable deal considerably. Bluff and double bluff has started. Hard deals always go down to the wire.
No dont blame the media, its fuck all to do with them.
parliament, now seemingly dominated by and controlled by a remain alliance majority can call one tomorrow.
They wont and there is a very good reason why.
No argument except once out of this mess whichever way no government or parliament will be stupid enough to have another one for a long long time.Then there is no argument in holding a third.
Or a fourth.
Or a fifth.
Or a sixth.
Or a seventh.
Or an eighth, you getting the picture yet?
the outrage however would be immense.
No argument except once out of this mess whichever way no government or parliament will be stupid enough to have another one for a long long time.
Why would they need to, we can leave with no deal when we or do a deal that doesn’t impact on the way the eu operates. If we want to leave and have access to some of the benefits we agree to the rules that go with those benefits. The more benefits the more rules.Can someone explain to me how much the EU have moved from their initial stance they first adopted in Mays first feeble attempts, in the so called negotiations. It would seem to me that they won't negotiate anything they just state what they will accept. Or is that actually good negotiating skills. Haha. They clearly dont want us to leave but they also clearly want us to remain on their terms. They have allies in the House if Commons in the LIB Dems the Labour party and some Tories and appear to be relying on these people to overturn the 2016 vote, they have after all weakened the UKs ability to negotiate a favourable deal considerably. Bluff and double bluff has started. Hard deals always go down to the wire.
Yes, you may be right.You give them way too much credit.
One thing I can say is that I am now a firm advocate of proportional representation. To feel that your vote counts directly must be something of an antidote to the feelings of alienation that FPTP plainly produces, where 450 constituencies never change hands and the government for the next 5 years is chosen by 500,000 people spread across 100 marginal constituencies.
One thing I can say is that I am now a firm advocate of proportional representation. To feel that your vote counts directly must be something of an antidote to the feelings of alienation that FPTP plainly produces, where 450 constituencies never change hands and the government for the next 5 years is chosen by 500,000 people spread across 100 marginal constituencies.
Why would they need to, we can leave with no deal when we or do a deal that doesn’t impact on the way the eu operates. If we want to leave and have access to some of the benefits we agree to the rules that go with those benefits. The more benefits the more rules.
It does I agree but when we got the chance to at least make a start on changing it most people didn't bother voting and those that did overwhelmingly voted to keep fptp.Absolutely this.
Parliament and government with the way we are represented needs a complete overhaul.
Except the one that promises one to the angered leave supporting public... ooops.No argument except once out of this mess whichever way no government or parliament will be stupid enough to have another one for a long long time.
Absolutely this.
Parliament and government with the way we are represented needs a complete overhaul.