Another new Brexit thread

[Churchlawtonblue]

The pound crashing happened.

True it dropped about 15%, but many other predictions of doom and gloom just didn't happen did they. Balance is surely what is needed.

 

[blueinsa]

And therein lies your problem. There are no spoils. We gave up pretending there were any spoils a year or so back.

Also it hasn’t been ignored. It’s all this country has obsessed over for the last three years. You are confusing ‘ignored’ with an inability to process a complex task in an impossible timeframe.

Time to drop the ‘spoilt child not getting all his sweets’ approach. It’s not served your cause well.

It's not spoilt child its democracy Bob.

I've voted in and lost by virtue of my party or candidate losing more times than I care to remember.

Never once did I think let's just ignore who won.

 

[west didsblue]

Yes but no deal trumps remaining everytime because we voted to leave, not remain.

I'm more than hopeful we will get a deal still as no deal and a border enforced by the EU makes everyone realise that they need to agree one.

Shame all Brexiters don’t agree with you or we’d be out by now. Some of them would prefer Remain to May’s deal apparently. Very democratic.

 

[BobKowalski]

It's not spoilt child its democracy Bob.

I've voted in and lost by virtue of my party or candidate losing more times than I care to remember.

Never once did I think let's just ignore who won.

You haven’t been ignored. You have been incompetent. Your mob voted against the agreement that delivered the referendum result. Ignoring it would have meant not bothering to get an agreement in the first place.

You understand the difference?

 

[BobKowalski]

I see forum favourite SF's Michelle O'Neill rules out any role for a NI Assembly in the backstop resolution - only a local emanation of the British state - so much for the DUP veto eh @mancity2012_eamo ?

Did wonder if anyone was going to ask the people of NI or their representatives for their view before we got excited. DUP will also probably reject.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Ah that old chestnut.
for one thing, certainly feels like it has been a bloody lifetime!

but honest question, if the 2016 result was the reverse, same margin of swing, you would never advocate being asked on the matter again? even if say one of the many fabricated threars did come true, such as the turkish invasion? no, you wouldnt think it worth re-examining? Of course you would! anyone would.

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Yes, of course I would advocate the right to re examine, or vote again, or reverse, in fact any scenario you like. As long as the original was instigated as per the wishes of the majority who voted.
Agitate after it, sing, dance, demonstrate, shove a brush up your arse and whistle Dixie, anything at all.
But don't ignore it and expect people to humbly accept it, thereby lies a very dark future.

 

[blueinsa]

You haven’t been ignored. You have been incompetent. Your mob voted against the agreement that delivered the referendum result. Ignoring it would have meant not bothering to get an agreement in the first place.

You understand the difference?

I understand your anger which manifests itself as condescension.

I also understand that I will never agree with your attempted narrative on this.

 

[BobKowalski]

Did wonder if anyone was going to ask the people of NI or their representatives for their view before we got excited. DUP will also probably reject.

Ah just saw

DUP already rejecting latest offer from EU. Sammy Wilson, DUP Brexit spokesman:

'It will go nowhere. The Govt in Westminster will not accept it, we will not accept it,'I don't think anyone who looks at it with any kind of objectivity at all will say it's an improved offer'

 

[blueinsa]

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Yes, of course I would advocate the right to re examine, or vote again, or reverse, in fact any scenario you like. As long as the original was instigated as per the wishes of the majority who voted.
Agitate after it, sing, dance, demonstrate, shove a brush up your arse and whistle Dixie, anything at all.
But don't ignore it and expect people to humbly accept it, thereby lies a very dark future.

Cant for the life of me comprehend anyone not agreeing with this.

 

[BobKowalski]

I understand your anger which manifests itself as condescension.

I also understand that I will never agree with your attempted narrative on this.

It’s not anger or attempted narrative. It’s basic English comprehension.

 

[Chris in London]

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Yes, of course I would advocate the right to re examine, or vote again, or reverse, in fact any scenario you like. As long as the original was instigated as per the wishes of the majority who voted.
Agitate after it, sing, dance, demonstrate, shove a brush up your arse and whistle Dixie, anything at all.
But don't ignore it and expect people to humbly accept it, thereby lies a very dark future.

You are aware that if there is no extension we leave in 22 days?

 

[blueinsa]

Ah just saw

DUP already rejecting latest offer from EU. Sammy Wilson, DUP Brexit spokesman:

'It will go nowhere. The Govt in Westminster will not accept it, we will not accept it,'I don't think anyone who looks at it with any kind of objectivity at all will say it's an improved offer'

First half is only 5 mins old Bob.

Long way to go yet in this game ;-)

 

[FlemishDuck]

Possibly yours but in any case simply beyond rational dispute - the plain unvarnished truth.

You are actually doing George Orwell a great disservice. The crucial thing to understand with 1984 is that to a fair extend it points to the danger "political languaghe". Within that context then it's very important to use "measured languaghe" in a debate. Not only is youre languaghe absolutly not measured and hyperbole (all evidence points contrary to the EU being totalitarian) but that you would then present something that is provaby wrong as fact is attempting to redifine reality to a political agenda being the sort of acts Orwell warned about.

 

[BobKowalski]

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Yes, of course I would advocate the right to re examine, or vote again, or reverse, in fact any scenario you like. As long as the original was instigated as per the wishes of the majority who voted.
Agitate after it, sing, dance, demonstrate, shove a brush up your arse and whistle Dixie, anything at all.
But don't ignore it and expect people to humbly accept it, thereby lies a very dark future.

It hasn’t been ignored. We literally drew up a legal agreement that would have seen us leave the EU on 29th March 2019. Tory Brexit MPs and the DUP rejected it.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

It was Brexiteers and the DUP that killed your Brexit on the 29th March. Not my problem.

Oh dear yet another head in sand moment from you Bob!
Can i remind you yet again that many Labour constituencies voted to leave yet their MPs in Parliment repeatedly choose to ignore their voters and vote against every leave deal put before them. In fact their party policy is in fact now to remain by default lol ! Your could say that the majority of MPs as a collective are all at fault for saying one thing IE enacting article 50 then choosing to ignore what they have agreed to do. Many on the opposition benches have used brexit to try and point score in petty party politics. Corbyn was at it again last week, condemning proposals before he had even read them and coming out with all sorts of nonsense just to divert attention and score points. They all need sacking imo.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

You are aware that if there is no extension we leave in 22 days?

You are aware that if there is no extension we leave in 22 days?

Is it only that long?
Time flies when you're having fun.

 

[BobKowalski]

First half is only 5 mins old Bob.

Long way to go yet in this game ;-)

5 minutes? Feels like three years :)

Seriously though NI only flies if both sides buy in. A NI only backstop with a time limit controlled by the consent principle in NI is a reasonable offer in my view but I’m not in NI so my view is irrelevant.

 

[BobKowalski]

Oh dear yet another head in sand moment from you Bob!
Can i remind you yet again that many Labour constituencies voted to leave yet their MPs in Parliment repeatedly choose to ignore their voters and vote against every leave deal put before them. In fact their party policy is in fact now to remain by default lol ! Your could say that the majority of MPs as a collective are all at fault for saying one thing IE enacting article 50 then choosing to ignore what they have agreed to do. Many on the opposition benches have used brexit to try and point score in petty party politics. Corbyn was at it again last week, condemning proposals before he had even read them and coming out with all sorts of nonsense just to divert attention and score points. They all need sacking imo.

Tory plus DUP MPs equals a majority. They vote for it then it passes and Corbyn et al can do jackshit. Here endeth the math lesson for today.

 

[Chris in London]

Is it only that long?
Time flies when you're having fun.

So how can you say it’s been ignored if in three weeks and a day we’ll be out?

 

[George Hannah]

You are actually doing George Orwell a great disservice. The crucial thing to understand with 1984 is that to a fair extend it points to the danger "political languaghe". Within that context then it's very important to use "measured languaghe" in a debate. Not only is youre languaghe absolutly not measured and hyperbole (all evidence points contrary to the EU being totalitarian) but that you would then present something that is provaby wrong as fact is attempting to redifine reality to a political agenda being the sort of acts Orwell warned about.

I think we should just try to be honest like my namesake. It's a bonus if we can also avoid personal abuse but for a few on here it's the only reason they post.