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Cheesy said:
Nothing to do with the billions pumped in to Cuba's economy by the Soviet Union then?

Oh, and how come the Cuban healthcare system is ranked 39th best in the world by the WHO?
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How anyone can cite a communist state as some paragon is laughable.
 
Rascal said:
Education should be free for life for everybody regardless of circumstances. Labours proposed national education service is a brilliant idea and worthy of support.

I have said before on here that we look on education the wrong way, we look at it as provision rather than investment. It is capital investment because it increases the skill set of the population. Increase the skill set and you narrow the productivity gap. Narrow that gap and you are on the way to reducing inequality. A better educated workforce is necessary in a post Brexit world as we will have to meet the competitive challenges of other nations without the rights of freedom of movement for the better qualified Europeans we currently attract. Make sure our populace is well educated and they meet the needs of the country.

I also believe we stop education too early, we should be learning all our life. I take great joy now in learning and expanding my horizons. In the last few years I have done History and General Studies A-Levels. I now have 7 A-levels, I have also done a Counselling course which I paid for myself, it was only the basics and I wanted to carry on as I really enjoyed the subject and it is very useful for the projects I am involved in. To do the further advanced Counselling course I would have had to pay nearly £700 for a 12 month course which I simply could not afford. Because of my age I am discouraged from learning because of financial constrictions and that is just silly, If I could have done the advanced course I would be far better qualified to do what I do and as a result society as a whole may have benefitted from my further education.

If money is the reason we keep society undereducated we are losing out on the vast potential of many people who have lots to offer but simply cant afford to pay for it themselves. That is why it should be seen as an investment , in my case an investment in my education would have helped me make a far greater contribution to the projects I am involved with which ultimately aim to save money and create better public services for everyone.

There is also the social effect of continual education, we can all better ourselves and become more rounded human beings, we can get greater enjoyment from this short life of ours and if that means we want to learn about the music of Wagner, the poetry of Milton or the basket weaving skills of an Amazonian tribe of Pygmies then we should as it is enhances our lives and it enhances the cultural knowledge of the nation.

Education should not be rationed, if it is it becomes the preserve of the wealthy to the detriment of those without wealth and the potential of many people goes to waste. Of course there will be people who are happy with their level of knowledge and there will be those who are unable to increase their knowledge but that should not matter, the opportunity to increase knowledge should always be available to everyone whatever the cost and it should be the state that provides that opportunity because ultimately the state will benefit.
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In fairness fella there isnt much reality in all that
 
Mike D said:
Spot on Russ you only have to look at extreme examples like Cuba that was ostrisised and cut off by the US, okay they had massive oil reserves but they built their society on to basic principles Free Good Health and Education for everyone.
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This is your everlasting problem with socialism.

You can't provide a single decent example of it working.

Cuba?

Fuck me lol
 
blueinsa said:
This is your everlasting problem with socialism.

You can't provide a single decent example of it working.

Cuba?

Fuck me lol
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Are we having socialism? Bloody hell! Nobody told me!

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TheRemainsOfTheDave said:
Wind it in fella with your supercilious preaching, I am generalising about student funding as a whole (based on personal experience of going through the system three times) NOT particular needs of a sector. Of course I believe education is important, same with healthcare. Having worked in the NHS I know damn well how much it costs to train the staff but that is irrelevant when you also know how much percentage of wage is taken to pay for that training when they can afford it. If the system is tweaked to allow doctors and nurses to pay lower tuition fees, fair enough, but it's the same system.
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I wasn't saying that just using them as an example I believe education should be free for everyone.
 
Cheesy said:
Nothing to do with the billions pumped in to Cuba's economy by the Soviet Union then?

Oh, and how come the Cuban healthcare system is ranked 39th best in the world by the WHO?



You're a fucking loon, you really are.
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FFS you don't get it do you? I wasn't saying Cuba have the best of anything, having been there myself they are dirt poor. But they have their priorities right when you compare them to other countries in similar boat like Iran Iraq who have different priorities.
 
blueinsa said:
This is your everlasting problem with socialism.

You can't provide a single decent example of it working.

Cuba?

Fuck me lol
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I wasn't using them as an example of socialism just education and healthcare priorities.

They are communist its not my fault that don't understand the difference between communism and socialism !
 
Mike D said:
FFS you don't get it do you? I wasn't saying Cuba have the best of anything, having been there myself they are dirt poor. But they have their priorities right when you compare them to other countries in similar boat like Iran Iraq who have different priorities.
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What's the point in health & education systems being free if they're of no use to anyone?
 
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