Another new Brexit thread

[Didsbury Dave]

Almost as "simple as" just revoking and letting a few old men with red faces howl at the moon then?

I know you from old Dave and we have always got on and been on the same side in many an argument so I know full well your tactic of playing the man rather than the ball.

It sadly isn't going to work on this though and hasn't done for remain since day one.

No idea what the first sentence means. Nor your previous post to me. As to your second point, I'm afraid you need the post again and understand it again.

In fact I'll decipher it for you:

There is nothing "simple" about leaving the EU, despite what you were told. That's your problem.

 

[robbieh]

I understand that Leavers are angry with Remainers. So far Brexit has not happened and in the main that is down to MPs who are either Remainers or extreme Brexiteers who have both scuppered May´s deal.
Having said that, many ordinary Leavers didn´t seem to enamoured with May´s deal either.

For many this frustration has radicalized Leavers in wanting out whatever on the 31st.
As I said they are angry.

I am also angry. Angry that so many people are so gullible, they actually think this is a good thing. Sovereignty? We have been the 51st state of the USA for a long time. They want a war, we tag alongside like a dutiful dog. If we get a deal with the US you can bet your bottom dollar it won´t favour us, and why should it? Just like the EU they are protecting their economic interests.

We have decided to set sail for freedom in a rickety rowing boat and all because we think we are somehow being shafted by the EU, which is simply unacceptable given we are innately superior to continental europeans. After all they folded like a deck of cards when challenged by Adolf.

 

[blueinsa]

No idea what the first sentence means. Nor your previous post to me. As to your second point, I'm afraid you need the post again and understand it again.

In fact I'll decipher it for you:

There is nothing "simple" about leaving the EU, despite what you were told. That's your problem.

It was the infantile bit but you knew that.

 

[blueinsa]

I understand that Leavers are angry with Remainers. So far Brexit has not happened and in the main that is down to MPs who are either Remainers or extreme Brexiteers who have both scuppered May´s deal.
Having said that, many ordinary Leavers didn´t seem to enamoured with May´s deal either.

For many this frustration has radicalized Leavers in wanting out whatever on the 31st.
As I said they are angry.

I am also angry. Angry that so many people are so gullible, they actually think this is a good thing. Sovereignty? We have been the 51st state of the USA for a long time. They want a war, we tag alongside like a dutiful dog. If we get a deal with the US you can bet your bottom dollar it won´t favour us, and why should it? Just like the EU they are protecting their economic interests.

We have decided to set sail for freedom in a rickety rowing boat and all because we think we are somehow being shafted by the EU, which is simply unacceptable given we are innately superior to continental europeans. After all they folded like a deck of cards when challenged by Adolf.

Started out fair enough.....became the usual left wing anti American rant and finished with the obligatory Adolf remark.

3/10.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

It was the infantile bit but you knew that.

Mate, "Simple as" is an infantile thing to say at any time and a particularly infantile sentiment when applied to something like Brexit.

 

[FlemishDuck]

To be fair, imho Brexit could have long been delivered already were it not for May's red lines and/or the objection to her deal. Brexit could always have been delivered in various ways, but many of those options would prove either doable or not based on wether it would bring the UK in/out of the custom's union and/or Parliament could accept any alternative arangement in Ireland. A norway like deal afaik would have been easy to implement atleast withought worry about Ireland, then depending if a majority of parliament could agree to that. Even May had a deal, but obviously British parliament didn't like that, though so far we scarcely have an idea of any deal that British parliament itself could agree too even if it was agreed upon by the EU.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I really don't think I have seen any Leave posters on here suggest that Wales, Scotland & N. I. Should not have the right is self-determination - but why should that immediately mean England cannot enjoy the same rights.

But..... We have not gone alone - we committed to abide by a UK wide referendum.

Sounds pretty fair to me

If - after we actually leave the EU - and they decide they want to break from the UK and rejoin the EU - England will not stand in the way.

Spoiler :- Wales and Scotland will stay with the UK

Sounds pretty much like what I said . You know my viewpoint on English Nationalism. I think it leads to a break up of the union logically under present circumstances, but I also remain unconvinced that Scotland will leave. Wales would definitely stay in my opinion.

Bit of a conflicting idea, even in my head.

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

This is the sort of analysis and deep thought we need to bring to the Brexit debate

Labour MP Caroline Flint: ‘Just get it done, I haven’t a clue how to resolve the Irish border issue, but just get it done.’

You’ve had three years to think of a solution but thanks for your contribution.

That would be like me saying on Sunday:
"Just score, I haven't a clue how we do that, but just get it done"

 

[Coatigan]

Whatever it is, if these 2 lose their seats in the next election, it will be a very good day.

Brexit single issue politics in a nutshell, always with the absolutes.

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

So much cringe

 

[blueinsa]

Brexit single issue politics in a nutshell, always with the absolutes.

I'm sure if you think for 30 seconds you can find multiple reasons not to vote for them.

 

[George Hannah]

Quick questions, if the Queen's Speech is defeated on the new sitting day of October 19th would there be an immediate GE dissolution with no 14 days etc and what is the status of the government then put in place during the run-up in terms of complying with the Benn Act on the 21st ?

 

[Coatigan]

I'm sure if you think for 30 seconds you can find multiple reasons not to vote for them.

I can.

Was that really your point though? i doubt it.

 

[Chris in London]

It was the official remain campaign (Government under Cameron and Osborne, both remainers) that said we would leave with no deal, no single market, no customs union and it was parliament that voted for and invoked A50 that stated quite clearly that we leave with no deal if a deal isn't agreed.

Oh the lies.....

No problem is insurmountable no matter how much you want it to be or make it out as.

So when you voted leave you disbelieved what the leave campaign was saying about sunlit uplands, 350m a week for the NHS, Turkey joining the EU and a free trade deal from Iceland to the Russian border, but you believed Cameron and Osborne when they said it would be a no deal brexit?

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

To a pair of tits, for sure.
I've not checked his seat, so I don't know, is it a marginal?

Not marginal but most likely now remain. What might save him is Lib Dems were 3rd by a distance and the Labour candidate is a Corbyn choice. It's one where the remain vote will get split. One Farage might target as well. He will have a fight on. Could well lose.

 

[Chris in London]

Mate, "Simple as" is an infantile thing to say at any time and a particularly infantile sentiment when applied to something like Brexit.

Completely agree, Dave, but if you're going to pick up every infantile remark that is made in this thread you will be very very very busy...

 

[blueinsa]

I can.

Was that really your point though? i doubt it.

No it obviously wasn't but we dont have laws forbidding single issue politics in this country and if we did, plenty in parliament wouldn't exist.

 

[Coatigan]

No it obviously wasn't but we dont have laws forbidding single issue politics in this country and if we did, plenty in parliament wouldn't exist.

Bravo!

 

[blueinsa]

So when you voted leave you disbelieved what the leave campaign was saying about sunlit uplands, 350m a week for the NHS, Turkey joining the EU and a free trade deal from Iceland to the Russian border, but you believed Cameron and Osborne when they said it would be a no deal brexit?

Ahhh that question again.

Think I've answered this more times than I've had....well you know the rest.

Took no notice of either campaign to be honest and went with a long time held view that the EU is an undemocratic club, ran for the benefit of the Germans and French primarily with smaller nations literally told to do as they are told or the money stops and one with an ever increasing federalist dream that started with the Euro and will end only when nation states are no longer and the United states of Europe has been created.

I dont believe it has a long term future, i dont believe in it politically and i dont want to be a part of it.

Thats why I voted to leave.

 

[Banned Tosspot]

Mate, "Simple as" is an infantile thing to say at any time and a particularly infantile sentiment when applied to something like Brexit.

Calling people "mate" is just as bad Dizzy.