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west didsblue said:
Of course it’s possible. They’ve already agree to May’s deal. If we went back to that with a cosmetic makeover the deal would be done. It would even make it through Parliament if there was an amendment to include a confirmatory referendum. That’s the easiest and quickest way out of the mess we’re in.
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Gaudion M said:
I assume that he is required by law to request the extension the day before and therefore if he has not complied that would be the day he could get them all in in person and stick two fingers up at them all.

Its that or some weasel plan that will fall apart.
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My guess is that if he gets no further concessions at the Eu meeting he'll come back and say Mays Deal or no deal. He's had to prorogue Parliament again because Mays deal has already been voted on three times and can't come before Parliament again in the same session.
 
west didsblue said:
Of course it’s possible. They’ve already agree to May’s deal. If we went back to that with a cosmetic makeover the deal would be done. It would even make it through Parliament if there was an amendment to include a confirmatory referendum. That’s the easiest and quickest way out of the mess we’re in.
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I think things have moved on from there. BoJo has taken a much harder line and the nutters are now all out no dealers. Mays deal was a fairly hard version of brexit with the Irish border un-solved just a problem deferred and on hold with no way out. The moderate MPs voted for it reluctantly the ERG did the same and only after the third time of asking and that was not enough - I don't see any clamor from any of them to bring that back and pass it - even with a 2nd ref. Know one is genuinely happy with it so what if it won the ref, would BoJo take it through - would Corbyn take it through.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
My guess is that if he gets no further concessions at the Eu meeting he'll come back and say Mays Deal or no deal. He's had to prorogue Parliament again because Mays deal has already been voted on three times and can't come before Parliament again in the same session.
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I don't think that it can work like that - The House can only vote yes or no to proposed bills. So a bill that proposed May deal v No deal in a 2nd ref would get voted down.

It could also be amended to be remain v's no deal. or Even Remain v's EFTA + Full CU soft brexit.

So what is BoJo playing at.
 
blueinsa said:
Trying to go out with a bang is remainer John bless him.
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Ah yes, again only seeing the world in terms of remainers and leavers. classic brexit chat, that.

I of course don't support his action as such. But that wasn't your point was it.
 
Coatigan said:
Ah yes, again only seeing the world in terms of remainers and leavers. classic brexit chat, that.

I of course don't support his action as such. But that wasn't your point was it.
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Isn't this a rather complicated and uprecedented matter to be understood trough what the Benn act determines? Aka, it is as if Bercow has the legal right/duty to prevent a no deal Brexit as it stands, and in practice that could require him to go to the Eu and force of an extension?
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
My guess is that if he gets no further concessions at the Eu meeting he'll come back and say Mays Deal or no deal. He's had to prorogue Parliament again because Mays deal has already been voted on three times and can't come before Parliament again in the same session.
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Isn't the May deal still on the table, as part of the kinnock amendment?
 
FlemishDuck said:
Isn't this a rather complicated and uprecedented matter to be understood trough what the Benn act determines? Aka, it is as if Bercow has the legal right/duty to prevent a no deal Brexit as it stands, and in practice that could require him to go to the Eu and force of an extension?
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Don't you be trying to bring logic and objectivity to this. He is a remainer, see, therefore whatever he does or says is wrong, and antidemocratic. Have you not been paying attention?

and back in the real world. Valid question. not sure, i remember reading that assumption somewhere, no idea if it is true. Unprecedented as you say.
 
Bojo mocked for saying goodwill is needed last week yet today, Barnier says the same thing.

Likewise the use of statesmanship which today was trotted out by the Irish foreign minister i believe.

A week in politics is a long time.

You could be forgiven that behind the scenes and the facade of bravado they are all pretty much on the same wavelength.
 
Coatigan said:
Don't you be trying to bring logic and objectivity to this. He is a remainer, see, therefore whatever he does or says is wrong, and antidemocratic. Have you not been paying attention?

and back in the real world. Valid question. not sure, i remember reading that assumption somewhere, no idea if it is true. Unprecedented as you say.
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I'm thinking further: The Brexiteers will perhaps cry foul over Bercow when he goes to the EU to ask an extension himself, but perhaps Johnson in some way doesn't entirely mind that arrangement seeing as he rather had died in a ditch than doing that himself, and to be fair if asking for that extension is so much politcal pain perhaps it's best done by one who is soon to resign. As it stands with the Benn act, afaik some representative of parliament will have to ask for an extension in the case of no deal because if the UK goes out on a no deal technicly parliament as a whole would be culpable for it trough inaction?

Bercow then would have a mandate of parliament, not nessecarily be the representative of goverment, as if the speaker would be a natural representative of parliament*? Because, while the Benn act does stipulate by law that a no deal brexit is illegal, it doesn't really explain to who'm it is to go to the EU to ask an extension above the head of goverment when the PM wouldn't be up for it?

*I guess he must be since noone was appointed in particular, kinda cool that it goes into international matters aswell. I mean, it's a bit like Having Nancy Pelosi visiting Britain to rectify some illegal deals of Trump.
 
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blueinsa said:
Bojo mocked for saying goodwill is needed last week yet today, Barnier says the same thing.

Likewise the use of statesmanship which today was trotted out by the Irish foreign minister i believe.

A week in politics is a long time.

You could be forgiven that behind the scenes and the facade of bravado they are all pretty much on the same wavelength.
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The best was today’s quote from the eu about this is too serious a matter for the blame game but the uk started it.
 
FlemishDuck said:
I'm thinking further: The Brexiteers will perhaps cry foul over Bercow when he goes to the EU to ask an extension himself, but perhaps Johnson in some way doesn't entirely mind that arrangement seeing as he rather had died in a ditch than doing that himself, and to be fair if asking for that extension is so much politcal pain perhaps it's best done by one who is soon to resign. As it stands with the Benn act, afaik some representative of parliament will have to ask for an extension in the case of no deal because if the UK goes out on a no deal technicly parliament as a whole would be culpable for it trough inaction?

Bercow then would have a mandate of parliament, not nessecarily be the representative of goverment, as if the speaker would be a natural representative of parliament*? Because, while the Benn act does stipulate by law that a no deal brexit is illegal, it doesn't really explain to who'm it is to go to the EU to ask an extension above the head of goverment when the PM wouldn't be up for it?

*I guess he must be since noone was appointed in particular, kinda cool that it goes into international matters aswell. I mean, it's a bit like Having Nancy Pelosi visiting Britain to rectify some illegal deals of Trump.
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I think the court would appoint someone - a civil servant to do it behind closed doors so there is no political implication.

BoJo will have to sort his own affairs with regard to the ditch.
 
Gaudion M said:
I think the court would appoint someone - a civil servant to do it behind closed doors so there is no political implication.

BoJo will have to sort his own affairs with regard to the ditch.
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will he/she be allowed to sign left handed ( assuming they are right handed ) and wearing gloves so as not to leave prints on the pen? Even better get a dozen letters signed by a dozen civil servants and only use one and burn the rest................
 
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