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mancity2012_eamo said:
Logistically we may be very reliant, but our trade is not nearly as reliant on Britain as NI, who will be hit very hard.
It's one of the reasons that NI business are so against the current deal that Varadkar and Johnson are supposedly discussing.
A lot of your trade with Britain is dependant on either supply from the south or some element of the production line, before you ever get to export a product to the mainland.
This could see the dairy industry collapse and the culling of cattle and the abandonment of the land, is one forecast I have seen.
The North really is being sentenced to a maybe not so slow death, in many sectors.
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https://cain.ulster.ac.uk/othelem/organ/ira/ira_green_book.htm

Where do i sign??!!
 
Coatigan said:
Only if you see the world exclusively in terms of Leavers and Remainers.
There in lies the problem with Brexit, the division it creates and the lack of logic and objectivity. But yes, i do agree with the point you make about the dangerous outcome.
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That is exactly why the current disastrous paralysis would be reinforced by a second referendum and it would also condition and distort everything that followed - an absolutely reckless course. Just watching some pathetic BBC political correspondent shrugging his shoulders about the BoJo/Varadkar talks and gurning that a deal is as likely as Ed Balls winning Strictly. What has happened to this country - it makes my heart bleed.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
Wow.
Where did you dig that up from and is there a date on it?
I actually read the first part down as far as "Arrest" in the second green book and it does seem to be not only contradictory as well as warped, but it does seem to be a long time out of date.
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lol, i literally googled "Irish Republican Army Application form" for a laugh.....just another belter to add to the browser history....
 
blueinsa said:
Was it part filled in with J.Corbyn?
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No, John Lennon

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George Hannah said:
That is exactly why the current disastrous paralysis would be reinforced by a second referendum and it would also condition and distort everything that followed - an absolutely reckless course. Just watching some pathetic BBC political correspondent shrugging his shoulders about the BoJo/Varadkar talks and gurning that a deal is as likely as Ed Balls winning Strictly. What has happened to this country - it makes my heart bleed.
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I disagree there. to me, the only way out is a second referendum. A GE would make little or no difference, imho. Other than maybe for Scotland, where the mandate for another independence referendum would be strengthened.

Either way, GE or not, i believe a second referendum on brexit is a must.

And to be clear, i say that not because i hope it would overturn the result, but to put it to bed, and stop the never ending cries of whatever deal not being brexity enough, and the festering aftermath of that.
 
Coatigan said:
I disagree there. to me, the only way out is a second referendum. A GE would make little or no difference, imho. Other than maybe for Scotland, where the mandate for another independence referendum would be strengthened.

Either way, GE or not, i believe a second referendum on brexit is a must.

And to be clear, i say that not because i hope it would overturn the result, but to put it to bed, and stop the never ending cries of whatever deal not being brexity enough, and the festering aftermath of that.
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Trust me here as a leave voter.

Any second ref that is held with the result of the first not enacted ie we have left the EU will be an utter disaster for our democracy.
 
Coatigan said:
I disagree there. to me, the only way out is a second referendum. A GE would make little or no difference, imho. Other than maybe for Scotland, where the mandate for another independence referendum would be strengthened.

Either way, GE or not, i believe a second referendum on brexit is a must.

And to be clear, i say that not because i hope it would overturn the result, but to put it to bed, and stop the never ending cries of whatever deal not being brexity enough, and the festering aftermath of that.
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I think where George is correct though is how would a question in another referendum even be framed.
That itself is divisive depending on how you voted in the first one.

The fact is a referendum is contrary to your form of democracy where parliament is sovereign, etc etc. You get the picture.
Yes a confirmatory 2nd referendum was mentioned before 2016 result by the likes of Farage and Rees Mogg no less, but without a WA to put to the people what are the options?

Unfortunately it seems like no deal or revoke.
Those who voted leave though would argue, take the No Deal now and fight to revoke through GE if you so choose.

I hate the prospect of no deal for Ireland, but to be honest, looking at your politics and risk to society that is to come, I think that leave opinion has a serious point.

Of course what it would do to us would not be forgiven lightly and despite any arguments to and fro in here, nobody over here would be in any doubt where the blame lies.
 
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mancity2012_eamo said:
I think where George is correct though is how would a question in another referendum even be framed.
That itself is divisive depending on how you voted in the first one. The fact is a referendum is contrary to your form of democracy where parliament is sovereign, etc etc. You get the picture. Yes a confirmatory 2nd referendum was mentioned before 2016 result by the likes of Farage and Rees Mogg no less, but without a WA to put to the people what are the options?
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See @blueinsa reply to this poster just now. A second referendum before a GE and before the first has been honoured would be catastrophic for any trust in government. Those who are proposing it are simply trying to stop Brexit, it is a completely dishonest and dangerous diversion.
 
George Hannah said:
See @blueinsa reply to this poster just now. A second referendum before a GE and before the first has been honoured would be catastrophic for any trust in government. Those who are proposing it are simply trying to stop Brexit, it is a completely dishonest and dangerous diversion.
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It’s perfectly plausible (though less than likely imo) that a second vote could be to leave once again. That would significantly put the matter to bed without any meaningful doubt. A vote to remain wouldn’t, that’s for sure.
 
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