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George Hannah said:
If the EU collapses its member states don't all follow suit. If the federal plan is abandoned we could even rejoin.
Anyway, as I keep saying, it hasn' t happened yet and my money has been on us staying in since March. Please note I try to make falsfiable predictions, sometimes I am delighted to be wrong ;)
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If the EU collapses then close to half the value of the world's stock markets is written off. Banks close, deposits disappear as do pension funds, millions of companies go bankrupt leaving staff without jobs overnight, thousands of joint projects collapse, the entire world financial markets have a nervous breakdown, ATMs don't work anymore, the dollar doubles in value overnight bankrupting every USA exporter... that's day 1.
 
aguero93:20 said:
If the EU collapses then close to half the value of the world's stock markets is written off. Banks close, deposits disappear as do pension funds, millions of companies go bankrupt leaving staff without jobs overnight, thousands of joint projects collapse, the entire world financial markets have a nervous breakdown, ATMs don't work anymore, the dollar doubles in value overnight bankrupting every USA exporter... that's day 1.
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Maybe I should use the word 'evolve' then. lol
 
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aguero93:20 said:
Literally, England can choose to do whatever they want. They make up around 75% to 80% of the voting weight of the UK. Wales? They don't have the weight of a prominent nationalist movement so they'll get a pat on the head and move on. Don't mistake an honest answer for sarcasm. Scotland and NI are the ones being dragged into something against their will by the weight of the English vote and the lack of failsafes such as a veto.
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The welsh also voted for leave but anyhow we had a vote as a union individual country status does not matter. If NI get a bit of a brucie bonus out of this I don’t agree with it but I’m not sure what the alternative is, as Manchester and London voted remain and I think that populace is greater than Northern Ireland I want to know how in a union why George from Glasgow has more reason to be upset at Northern Ireland’s luck than say Dave from Enfield.

It seems strange when being nationalist is seen as a bit iffy that when a union vote for something individual countries start screaming unfair if it goes against them. If England had voted leave but the other countries voted remain and the totals meant remain won the referendum I wouldn’t be hear shouting what about England it very unfair. I see myself as Part of the U.K. not English first. I will abide by what the whole of the U.K. want.

If people are unhappy with majority rule in the union they should think hard about what they wish to belong to. If we have a deal and NI do well financially out of it fair play I’m sure the Tories will just use that as an excuse to give them a little less anyhow. That’s what Tories do.
 
Fuck me on the Brexit cast tonight they are discussing the idea that its likely Johnson now won't attend the EU summit to save face - what a big fucking baby.

Earlier on watching the pledge I see his sister is deflecting the investigation into whether he was knobbing Arcuri and saying the big game in town is was he using influence to give her money !! Either she believes he wasn't of is prepared to put public duty above sibling loyalty - I bet Johnson purposely scratched her Bananarama records............
 
hilts said:
The welsh also voted for leave but anyhow we had a vote as a union individual country status does not matter. If NI get a bit of a brucie bonus out of this I don’t agree with it but I’m not sure what the alternative is, as Manchester and London voted remain and I think that populace is greater than Northern Ireland I want to know how in a union why George from Glasgow has more reason to be upset at Northern Ireland’s luck than say Dave from Enfield.

It seems strange when being nationalist is seen as a bit iffy that when a union vote for something individual countries start screaming unfair if it goes against them. If England had voted leave but the other countries voted remain and the totals meant remain won the referendum I wouldn’t be hear shouting what about England it very unfair. I see myself as Part of the U.K. not English first. I will abide by what the whole of the U.K. want.

If people are unhappy with majority rule in the union they should think hard about what they wish to belong to. If we have a deal and NI do well financially out of it fair play I’m sure the Tories will just use that as an excuse to give them a little less anyhow. That’s what Tories do.
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Half the population of NI want out of the UK altogether and don't feel part of it, that's why they get special status.
 
BobKowalski said:
It will form the basis of the Withdrawal Treaty which sets it in stone. The consent aspect may relate to only NI can void this agreement and only if DUP and Sinn Fein jointly agree to void it. So DUP veto goes and this new arrangement is the default.

But there is a long way to go to get this into legally operable text that satisfies Brussels and Westminster but I reckon it’s enough for Brussels to enter into negotiations. The big immediate question is Unionist and ERG Tory reaction.

And all this assumes that this is the common ground that Dublin and London have settled on.
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I’ve been out of the news tonight and will be for the weekend. Heading over to the mainland for a break. (The EU)....France!

Anyway, if what you describe above is correct, it’s pretty much what I described last week. I.e. if the veto was so great, then set default as staying in the EU alignment and see if the DUP would still think so.
I doubt they will. So is it they who are being thrown aside at last and will Johnson have the numbers now including opposition to get it through parliament.

It just shows you, if you had someone with a credible walk away no deal to threaten us with in the beginning and not afraid to use it, we could have capitulated three years ago for you and saved all this palaver.

I reckon we would have been putty in your hands.
 
aguero93:20 said:
That would be a disaster, how about we find a way to give both sides what they want?
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It was tongue in cheek, if you believe every person in the U.K. has equal status and equal right to be pissed off please tell me how you can possibly get out of this without some people from BelfastDundee,Darlington and Denbigh being pissed off. Your posts come across as being anti English in nature sometimes. As a Mancunian it baffles me as I have more in common with Scots and Irish than the affluent south. The welsh I’m a bit meh about:-)
 
George Hannah said:
It hasn't happened yet, when and if it does the EU chickens will be coming home to roost and most of those net contributors will be exposed for what they are - net liabilities- when our 14% isn't there to balance the books. The whole EU edifice is a house of cards and a big wind is coming - you'd be better off outside with us.
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Nah. Tried that once. Didn’t like it.
 
hilts said:
It was tongue in cheek, if you believe every person in the U.K. has equal status and equal right to be pissed off please tell me how you can possibly get out of this without some people from Dublin,Dundee,Darlington and Denbigh being pissed off. Your posts come across as being anti English in nature sometimes. As a Mancunian it baffles me as I have more in common with Scots and Irish than the affluent south. The welsh I’m a bit meh about:-)
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I'm not anti English mate, the rest of the UK can do whatever the fuck they want, I only give a fuck about this island. Since I pointed most of this out to you lot a few years ago though, I thought I'd point out what happens next.
 
aguero93:20 said:
I'm not anti English mate, the rest of the UK can do whatever the fuck they want, I only give a fuck about this island. Since I pointed most of this out to you lot a few years ago though, I thought I'd point out what happens next.
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I think that message is quite clear unfortunately. I hope the U.K. and Ireland come out of this as unscathed as possible. Under the surface the union seems based more on convenience and self interest than desire, I find that a tad depressing.
 
BobKowalski said:
NI will exist in ‘parallel realities’ - not my phrase but does sum it up. Nominally NI will be in the U.K. customs union but in practice will be in the EU custom union. Big question is what does this mean for NI/GB customs checks. Actually there are a lot of questions but that appears to be roughly where we are now. There is no confirmation on any of this but Irish Times and RTE are running with it.
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Hopefully it confuses the hell out of Jeffrey Donaldson and the rest of them so they don’t know what way to vote. Just phrase the question in parliament so they have to say ‘yes’ to be against the deal and they’re fucked. They’ll have a crisis on their hands.
 
George Hannah said:
See below.
If Brexit happens the EU will be severely weakened, possibly terminally. They will be looking to lose poor nations not acquire them, both Scotland and Wales will soon be counting their current blessings. As prospective small member states, separated from the EU by their primary market, their economies could never survive unsupported in the trading environment that would follow our departure. Precedents just don't come into it, economic interest will drive all the decisions and England holds all the cards in that context. As I said, the NI is different but this deal gives the Unionists their best chance of remaining in the UK.
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What trading environment would that be? One with no free trade and loads of tariffs?
 
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