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So am I understanding the rumours correctly? Faced with a no deal brexit, the EU has not moved at all and Boris has offered NI as a concession, with a border down the Irish Sea?
 
blueinsa said:
He was far from incompetent and to suggest so disguises his role in all this and his allegiances all along imo.

Committed remainer which isn't a crime btw, doing all he can to scupper the very thing he was tasked to do.

The country needed impartial and focused negotiators with the interests of the UK first and foremost.
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Sorry - actually that is absolutely correct - and why quickly DexEU was removed from the negotiations.

You have to be really quite skilled to have been that obsequious to the preferred EU outcomes - he was even able to get it to look as if the UK-wide backstop was entirely the UK's idea - and the EU did not benefit!!
 
aguero93:20 said:
So basically, NI will leave the EU and stay in the UK but still apply all EU rules and regulations with a de facto EU border in the Irish sea. Well fucking done lads, that's what we asked for 3 fucking years ago. Bualadh bos.
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mcfc1632 said:
I am posting in the reality of October 2019 - Johnson will get one chance to get this done and there is no benefit of working with the duplicitous other parties (I am not suggesting that he is anything but a proven liar)

Personally I think that if the EU are genuinely faced with a no-deal outcome the backstop will be fettered - it will be dressed up so it looks like they have not conceded but they will have.

That is his shot and what he is going for - the rest to be sorted out during transition
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blueinsa said:
Happy as, not touchy as we are about to leave the EU finally.
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Do you think he’ll get that deal through parliament? Would need be a big climb down from ERG and the DUP and a lot bridge building with the 21 Tory’s who had the whip removed.
 
George Hannah said:
I can only repeat the first line of that list, it didn't happen - all the rest is either a consequence or speculation. We need to stick to the facts.
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It didn't happen because the UK didn't have it's act together as to how it wanted to leave the UK.
That's not the EU's fault or responsibility.
And while we're on the subject why the fcuk should the EU be criticised for acting in it's own interests.
That's what the two sides do in a negotiation George.
You take the victim mentality to new heights.
 
Hesperus said:
Do you think he’ll get that deal through parliament? Would need be a big climb down from ERG and the DUP and a lot bridge building with the 21 Tory’s who had the whip removed.
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Thats for parliament to decide but i think they are sat there thinking if we vote a deal down that is acceptable to the government, Ireland and the EU then they can expect the flak that will be directed towards them and with a GE imminent it might not be the wisest thing to do.
 
Len Rum said:
Fcuks sake - stop blaming Robbins.
He was a civil servant following Mavis's instructions.
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No fucking chance - he has been personally responsible for seeking to cause major damage to the UK's interests

The only concessions I will make is to agree with @blueinsa that it might be more Remainers self-interest rather than incompetence

But either way he has acted to deliberately undermine the UK's negotiating positions
 
Len Rum said:
It didn't happen because the UK didn't have it's act together as to how it wanted to leave the UK.
That's not the EU's fault or responsibility.
And while we're on the subject why the fcuk should the EU be criticised for acting in it's own interests.
That's what the two sides do in a negotiation George.
You take the victim mentality to new heights.
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Its glorious the irony is off the scale.

Probably time to go back to being a leaver Len so you can claim to have been a winner all along.
 
Hesperus said:
Do you think he’ll get that deal through parliament? Would need be a big climb down from ERG and the DUP and a lot bridge building with the 21 Tory’s who had the whip removed.
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The 21 rebels will mostly back a deal. Reaction of ERG Tories and the DUP will be key and we can’t really guage that until we see actual text of what has been agreed. They all clapped and cheered back in December 2017 when May returned with a U.K. backstop and agreement in principle to move to the next stage. Then the reality dawned on what exactly had been agreed.
 
blueinsa said:
Thats for parliament to decide but i think they are sat there thinking if we vote a deal down that is acceptable to the government, Ireland and the EU then they can expect the flak that will be directed towards them and with a GE imminent it might not be the wisest thing to do.
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It’s a good point, but Boris has entrenched the sides with his actions in parliament. The arithmetic doesn’t look good for him.
 
blueinsa said:
If it comforts you to think that yes, why not.
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If BoJo pulls off a genuine Brexit there will be a lot of comforters needed on here.
 
Hesperus said:
It’s a good point, but Boris has entrenched the sides with his actions in parliament. The arithmetic doesn’t look good for him.
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Im not so certain.

SNP, Lib Dems and the change uk lot or whatever their name is now are going to vote against we know that but I think the Tory party will vote for it including many of the 21 ousted and Labour will split despite Corbyn whipping to vote against for no other reasons than a deal kills his chance of power.

His issue is many Labour MP's want to leave to respect the result because they represent leave area and they dont want Corbyn as PM.

The electorate is expecting this to be put to bed imo and rightly so.
 
Len Rum said:
It didn't happen because the UK didn't have it's act together as to how it wanted to leave the UK. That's not the EU's fault or responsibility. And while we're on the subject why the fcuk should the EU be criticised for acting in it's own interests. That's what the two sides do in a negotiation George. You take the victim mentality to new heights.
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I don't think I'm the one playing the victim card, they are all in the stacked deck offered to our European friends and partners by the democratic British dealer. lol
 
blueinsa said:
I dont see any hypocrisy in his post.

I see committed remainers, not posters against no deal brexit, committed remainers who have said they want us to revoke sucking on lemons almost at the positive news that came out yesterday.

Each to their own I suppose but the fact is we do know some detail and that is those important and involved are now publicly stating they can see a path to a deal.
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I am well happy at the news of a change in tone, that may well lead to a deal. But that is all it is, a change in tone. It is certainly positive, and i am 'cautiously optimistic'.

And, it comes from 'our lot' compromising, rather than 'them' being feart of some supposed threat of us glassing ourselves in the face.

There is no harm in discussing the questions that could raise, including the future of the union itself, given the doors it could potentially open.

That isn't a commitment to remaining, unless your views are absolutely polar.
 
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