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How exactly have the EU moved????

If what is being reported is true, the EU have not moved at all and Boris has made the huge concession of offering up NI. No wonder Leo was very happy with the progress. A step closer to a United Ireland.

In offering NI, Boris has removed the red line May had during negotiations of keeping the Union intact. A red line that was demanded by her own party and obviously the DUP. May must be spitting feathers!
No sorry - you are not understanding things IMO

I have already explained to @Len Rum I think it was - search on fallback and you will find the explanation.

the EU have moved from their recent occupation of an Ideal position to a lesser position - they are still in a good place though.

The point I am making though is that they have indeed moved.
 
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I’m not sure they have though unless we see the detail. If it is what has been leaked in Ireland, then it’s no different to the deal that the EU proposed a couple of years ago.

We all need to wait to see what concessions have been made.
Already explained - see post above
 
In that case it can't be equal as England will always have more Mps and control parliament.
England has a larger population and landmass, yes. Are you blaming us for that somehow? Parliament is not representative of 4 nations, but of individual county constituencies. The fact that many of them reside in England is irrelevant because England has no Parliament or assembly like Scotland, Wales and NI. "England" doesn't control Parliament, as each English based MP represents a constituency, not a nation (unlike the SNP MP's mindset, ironically...)

Great Britain is the name of the country, UK the name of the union, not "England".
 
Hmm - good theory - see recent posts to @Coatigan and @Saddleworth2 - for the more practical issue which likely means that your 3rd point does not happen

Hey - I don't have a position on this - I am English. This is a matter for Scottish self-determination - I am just posting some facts
None of us really know, it's a guessing game at this point.

I think the Scots will be disappointed right now, as one of the key reasons for remaining in the UK was that it would be viewed as difficult to gain EU membership as a sole state.
Obviously that's changed with brexit
 
If it happens they'll claim nothing happened and if it doesn't they'll say they told you so all along. Their absurdity is comical. The reality is that if we exit with a deal BoJo is the clear winner and the EU & their HoP allies are toast. If we crash out on a no deal this month, many people and businesses in this country and Ireland will sadly join the other casualties. If it happens next January Farage will be back from the ditch and the rest of us here and abroad still badly and unnecessaily damaged but at least we will be out of the EU. Wishing Brexit away won't change that reality nor will a GE.
Once out - in any and all outcomes/circumstances - we can start to put right any damage/issues.

Remaining will see a gradual but unstoppable decline - May's deal with the unfettered backstop even worse
 
The 4 brexiteers, bandwidth bandits united under the "bull shit baffles brains" mantra
Save the planet and stick to "we won you lost" everything else is just "hey look at me"
and transparent propaganda for the brexit con .....
Dawww, has someone burst your echo chamber bubble?
 
England has a larger population and landmass, yes. Are you blaming us for that somehow? Parliament is not representative of 4 nations, but of individual county constituencies. The fact that many of them reside in England is irrelevant because England has no Parliament or assembly like Scotland, Wales and NI. "England" doesn't control Parliament, as each English based MP represents a constituency, not a nation (unlike the SNP MP's mindset, ironically...)

Great Britain is the name of the country, UK the name of the union, not "England".
Fine as a theory, not how it would work in reality.
 
Not sure I should be flattered or not.

On a side note that’s a lot of bitterness and resentment you have been storing up there. Not healthy.
Hey - I am just replying to your unusually snide post to me

I was surprised at that from you - I thought that was the modus operandi of others and that you were above that
 
Fine as a theory, not how it would work in reality.
Well when you've got nationalists in Scotland giving you Braveheart fantasies and not accurately representing the reality of the situation of our union...

Rather than seeking separation, why not try reforming British Parliament from within, whilst as a member?
 
How exactly have the EU moved????

If what is being reported is true, the EU have not moved at all and Boris has made the huge concession of offering up NI. No wonder Leo was very happy with the progress. A step closer to a United Ireland.

In offering NI, Boris has removed the red line May had during negotiations of keeping the Union intact. A red line that was demanded by her own party and obviously the DUP. May must be spitting feathers!
Nobody has got a clue right now, remainers and leavers alike should wait until all the details come out before claiming victory
 
as opposed to the " Prime Minister who inherited that deficient majority then strengthened his hand by removing the whip from a further 21 of his own MP's " ? That one?
I was answering accurately and of course referring to May

You seem to be fishing for something - crack on

Oh BTW - your comment on the 21 shows a lack of understanding of what occurred and why - IMO
 
OK you know nothing about Scotland, if your reverting to Braveheart rhetoric.
It was tongue in cheek, but don't even try and tell me some of you weren't suckered in by that sort of narrative. I saw it with my own eyes.

If your main issue is with Parliament, why not try reforming the British Parliament from within, whilst as a member?
 
Seem to recall it was once in a generation, not once in a lifetime, though with our peculiar and particular lifestyle choices, it’s sometimes difficult to distinguish the two, alas. ;-)

It was. The UK is now on its 4th prime minister since the indyref. Might be on the 5th by the end of the year. In political terms, that's what, 20,25 years worth of politics? that i'd say is a generation more or less. Certainly feels like a bloody lifetime!

Ok facetious logic, but my point is, so much has changed and happened in such a short time. Much of which was actually broken promises made during the better together campaign that for many were the reasons for voting to stay as part of the UK. And all as an outcome of Brexit.

The logic, and the right, to hold another one within this (scottish) parliamentary term, when/if brexit happens is unquestionable.

Unless you are an undemocratic 'rabid nationalist' that looks down on all other constituent parts of the UK, or anyone outwith it i.e the EU.
 
None of us really know, it's a guessing game at this point.

I think the Scots will be disappointed right now, as one of the key reasons for remaining in the UK was that it would be viewed as difficult to gain EU membership as a sole state.
Obviously that's changed with brexit
Oh I agree - and I have said that the situation will increase frustration and a sense of grievence

The point I am making though - without any negative feeling towards Scotland or her people - is that when the Scottish voters consider the facts they will likely decide to remain in the UK
 
It was tongue in cheek, but don't even try and tell me some of you weren't suckered in by that sort of narrative. I saw it with my own eyes.

If your main issue is with Parliament, why not try reforming the British Parliament from within, whilst as a member?
I wasn't because I voted No in the referendum. If we have a soft Brexit deal, I'll vote No again. If we hard Brexit, or No deal I'll probably vote Yes. Not because of some Braveheart freedom campaign which I haven't seen. Because I want as close an integration and FOM with the EU as possible, imo Scotland needs it, which is why I voted No first time because that was at risk at that time.
 
Sentiment is exactly what the SNP is all about, it's only still here after independence was rejected because of a protest vote against the ineptitude of the current main political parties. They won't survive the harsh economic realities of the case against separation post Brexit.

Sentiment IS exactly right, therefore, any logic of your economic arguement, however inaccurate, will mean jack to many. Just like with Brexit for that matter. Which has been my point all along, it is a perverse interpretation.
 
Oh I agree - and I have said that the situation will increase frustration and a sense of grievence

The point I am making though - without any negative feeling towards Scotland or her people - is that when the Scottish voters consider the facts they will likely decide to remain in the UK
We shall see. It was a quite significant margin that Scotland voted to remain in the EU, every single council area voted to remain with 62-38% in favour of remain.
That is a considerable difference between the two, one I believe would be enough to shift the balance in favour of Scottish independence
 
I wasn't because I voted No in the referendum. If we have a soft Brexit deal, I'll vote No again. If we hard Brexit, or No deal I'll probably vote Yes. Not because of some Braveheart freedom campaign which I haven't seen. Because I want as close an integration and FOM with the EU as possible, imo Scotland needs it, which is why I voted No first time because that was at risk at that time.
Yeah, but of the 45% of those who voted, many were of that nationalistic mindset, you cannot deny.

So if you'd vote no in a "2nd Scottish referendum as a result of a soft brexit" scenario, and as many are pushing for a soft brexit result, and since no deal cannot legally be implemented, what's with the "England controls Parliament/indyref2" talk all of a sudden?
 
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