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You just seem overly concerned to what business thinks as if they hold some sort of sway over the rest of us. It's how it appears, anyway.
Obviously I'm concerned, if businesses start upping sticks to N.Ireland because they have much more favourable trading conditions to the rest of the UK. I don't know whether I'm right or wrong but only a fool wouldn't be concerned at the possibility of it.
 
Obviously I'm concerned, if businesses start upping sticks to N.Ireland because they have much more favourable trading conditions to the rest of the UK. I don't know whether I'm right or wrong but only a fool wouldn't be concerned at the possibility of it.
They can do what they like. Their consumers will go elsewhere or other companies will fill the void they left behind. Everyone likes an opportunity.
 
There is that.
It’s like Steve Baker. Man of the people fighting against the elite putting £70k into a gold buying venture 2 years ago. Uncertainty and then the threat of a no deal Brexit have pushed gold up by 20%. Not that the two things are linked, obviously. The fact that they’re going to screw over the working class even more than usual is the thing that I can’t reconcile but seems to be the thing that many are prepared to accept.
 
It’s like Steve Baker. Man of the people fighting against the elite putting £70k into a gold buying venture 2 years ago. Uncertainty and then the threat of a no deal Brexit have pushed gold up by 20%. Not that the two things are linked, obviously. The fact that they’re going to screw over the working class even more than usual is the thing that I can’t reconcile but seems to be the thing that many are prepared to accept.
Yeah because your intention is to care about the working classes, isn't it, when most remainers have been labelling the majority of voters in this country as "stupid", "uneducated", "easily misled", "didn't know what they were voting for", etc...
 
Yeah because your intention is to care about the working classes, isn't it, when most remainers have been labelling the majority of voters in this country as "stupid", "uneducated", "easily misled", "didn't know what they were voting for", etc...
How you’ve got that from what I said is a tad puzzling. However, if you honestly think that’s the intention of Johnson, Mogg, Redwood and Farage then good luck to you. You’ll need it...
 
So they shut down their factories here, build new ones in NI, and then have to hire people to fill those positions?

Seems like a costlier strategy to me, but hey ho.
Long term strategies. A factory moves , can get all it's parts no tariff,next day. It can then manufacture and sell straight into the UK and it's markets, it can sell straight into Ireland and the EU. The factory down the road doesn't move, pays tariffs on it's parts, has to wait days or weeks for some bits. Then has to try and export into the EU at a tariff added price.
Which of those 2 competing factories does best in that competition. Which one goes under first.
 
How you’ve got that from what I said is a tad puzzling. However, if you honestly think that’s the intention of Johnson, Mogg, Redwood and Farage then good luck to you. You’ll need it...
I don't, not for one second, but then I didn't vote on the backs of their "arguments". I just accept the reality that the rich remainers aren't being this vocal because they're "worried about the working classes", and i'm sick of them using as some sort of moral political football. In truth, rich remainers, rich brexiteers, I don't trust either y'all.
 
I don't, not for one second, but then I didn't vote on the backs of their "arguments". I just accept the reality that the rich remainers aren't being this vocal because they're "worried about the working classes", and i'm sick of them using as some sort of moral political football. In truth, rich remainers, rich brexiteers, I don't trust either y'all.
Listen mate, I pay a fuck of a lot of tax and would happily pay more. No ifs or buts. So don’t compare me with the disaster capitalists who take millions out and object to paying anything in. Look who the backers of this are and then think about why they want it.
 
Long term strategies. A factory moves , can get all it's parts no tariff,next day. It can then manufacture and sell straight into the UK and it's markets, it can sell straight into Ireland and the EU. The factory down the road doesn't move, pays tariffs on it's parts, has to wait days or weeks for some bits. Then has to try and export into the EU at a tariff added price.
Which of those 2 competing factories does best in that competition. Which one goes under first.
I’m pretty sure that the political declaration will be forming a large part of the negotiations and we’ll be looking at a wide ranging FTA.
 
We’ve not given up NI, they stay part of the UK and remain part of the UK customs union. The compromise is that any customs checks will take place at the GB/NI border to protect the EU single market and remove the need for any customs checks on the island of Ireland. Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

agree that it's a reasonable approach. i'm just surprised to an extent its getting such a warm response as it's basically the EU's idea that May rejected in favour of the backstop. just doesn't feel like we've 'won' anything from the EU so to speak.
 
I’m pretty sure that the political declaration will be forming a large part of the negotiations and we’ll be looking at a wide ranging FTA.
It remains to be seen, hope your right. However if N Ireland is to remain part of the EU customs Union , it is being treated differently and being given a trading advantage, not granted to other parts and other businesses in the rest of the UK. That can't be right and where now the DUP and N.Ireland must be treated the same as the rest of Great Britain.
 
It remains to be seen, hope your right. However if N Ireland is to remain part of the EU customs Union , it is being treated differently and being given a trading advantage, not granted to other parts and other businesses in the rest of the UK. That can't be right and where now the DUP and N.Ireland must be treated the same as the rest of Great Britain.

this is what's puzzling me about the reaction to it. but it feels like leavers want to claim they've won something and remainers want to point out its a fudge. so everyone's happy. maybe...
 
It remains to be seen, hope your right. However if N Ireland is to remain part of the EU customs Union , it is being treated differently and being given a trading advantage, not granted to other parts and other businesses in the rest of the UK. That can't be right and where now the DUP and N.Ireland must be treated the same as the rest of Great Britain.
I’d like to think that people on all sides would accept the special status of NI and that a special arrangement is required. The political declaration will be key to showing other parts of the UK that this compromise is worthwhile because it unlocks the potential to get things moving towards a best in class FTA that will be beneficial to all.
 
So they shut down their factories here, build new ones in NI, and then have to hire people to fill those positions?

Seems like a costlier strategy to me, but hey ho.

That will just come down to the factor of it costing less to do so, in the long run.

I can see many businesses opening another site in NI, rather than just upping sticks.

I can actually see this massively benefitting the people of NI, I just hope it doesn’t impact those in England, Wales, Scotland.
 
Listen mate, I pay a fuck of a lot of tax and would happily pay more. No ifs or buts. So don’t compare me with the disaster capitalists who take millions out and object to paying anything in. Look who the backers of this are and then think about why they want it.
That's fine, all i'm asking is that they all stop with the "butz muh werking clussez..." schtick, because it's getting old and I for one don't believe it's sincere.
 
That will just come down to the factor of it costing less to do so, in the long run.

I can see many businesses opening another site in NI, rather than just upping sticks.

I can actually see this massively benefitting the people of NI, I just hope it doesn’t impact those in England, Wales, Scotland.
Another sight wouldn't be too bad, but if they only need one and being in N Ireland gives them access to both sides then it's obvious which they would choose. As I said it could be boom time for N. Ireland, and the unknown is how much would be to the detriment of the rest of the UK. What I'm saying is if and it's still a big if this gets accepted, then you can expect a lot of protest from this side of the North Sea, from politicians as well as Business Representatives.

It's already started to bubble under
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50019069


"The letter outlines their growing concern that Boris Johnson's Brexit negotiators have dropped existing commitments to maintain regulatory alignment in relevant sectors. The manufacturers' key concern is that they may no longer participate in specific EU regulatory institutions after any Brexit deal. "
 
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