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Ancient Citizen said:
We did have a mandate from all members of our union, Scotland is part of it, as is Wales and NI, none had any objections to the referendum, the whinging from the SNP started after their side lost.
This is all by the by, not many English are worrying about the Jocks at present, it's all on Brexit.
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For me, the only fair way would have been that leaving the EU had to have a majority in each constituent country of the UK. That would have been truly respectful of all four nations and a proper mandate.

And it was insisted on by Nicola Sturgeon, supported by N.I and ignored, by Cameron, who imho was trying to appease the natonalistic rather than thinking as Unionist.

So as it is, unfortunately i do feel the SNP speak for me in parliament when the say Scotland's voice is being ignored, dragged out of the EU against its will, etc etc.
 
Coatigan said:
For me, the only fair way would have been that leaving the EU had to have a majority in each constituent country of the UK. That would have been truly respectful of all four nations and a proper mandate.

And it was insisted on by Nicola Sturgeon, supported by N.I and ignored, by Cameron, who imho was trying to appease the natonalistic rather than thinking as Unionist.

So as it is, unfortunately i do feel the SNP speak for me in parliament when the say Scotland's voice is being ignored, dragged out of the EU against its will, etc etc.
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So England is kept in the EU against it’s will?
 
hgblue said:
So England is kept in the EU against it’s will?
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You prove my point, by placing the needs of England above the rest of the union.

In short, yes. If that is what the four nations decide. It is called being unionist, a value of the UK.
 
Coatigan said:
You prove my point, by placing the needs of England above the rest of the union.

In short, yes. If that is what the four nations decide. It is called being unionist, a value of the UK.
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Every individual member of the union was able to vote and each vote carried equal weight, so we voted as a union.
 
Coatigan said:
You prove my point, by placing the needs of England above the rest of the union.

In short, yes. If that is what the four nations decide. It is called being unionist, a value of the UK.
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Yep, if we don’t like it we could always have an English independence vote and leave the UK. Scotland, Wales and NI would be the continuing UK still in the EU and England would be on its own which would delight many of the Brexiters on here. I personally would hope that the NW and London would secede from England and rejoin the UK leaving a new country that could be called Little England with its capital in Stoke or somewhere in Lincolnshire.
Everyone’s a winner.
 
west didsblue said:
Yep, if we don’t like it we could always have an English independence vote and leave the UK. Scotland, Wales and NI would be the continuing UK still in the EU and England would be on its own which would delight many of the Brexiters on here. I personally would hope that the NW and London would secede from England and rejoin the UK leaving a new country that could be called Little England with its capital in Stoke or somewhere in Lincolnshire.
Everyone’s a winner.
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Have 5 likes my dream of total separation from tbe brexit zealots gets stronger with every lie they spout ...
 
hgblue said:
Every individual member of the union was able to vote and each vote carried equal weight, so we voted as a union.
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Why are the needs or wants of england more inportant than that of scotland, wales, or n.Ireland? because it has a bigger population? do you not see how this sets up a logical argument for independence. no matter What either of the 3 does, they will never stand a chance. the entire voting population of Scotland could vote to stay in the EU, wouldnt make any difference.

To be a union, the UK would need to act as a union for matters that affect the union.
 
Coatigan said:
Why are the needs or wants of england more inportant than that of scotland, wales, or n.Ireland? because it has a bigger population? do you not see how this sets up a logical argument for independence. no matter What either of the 3 does, they will never stand a chance. the entire voting population of Scotland could vote to stay in the EU, wouldnt make any difference.

To be a union, the UK would need to act as a union for matters that affect the union.
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But we did act as a union. Every English, Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish person had a vote and the votes for each option added up. We didn’t vote as individual nations.
 
hgblue said:
But we did act as a union. Every English, Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish person had a vote and the votes for each option added up. We didn’t vote as individual nations.
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That's voting as a homogenous group, not a union. A union implies that each party has an equal voice.
 
hgblue said:
But we did act as a union. Every English, Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish person had a vote and the votes for each option added up. We didn’t vote as individual nations.
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Don't know the answer to this, but if the referendum had been binding, would the electoral commission have insisted each part of the union got an equal say. Otherwise any vote, England could out vote and therefore veto anything irrespective of the effects on Scotland, N Ireland Wales, and that isn’t a union of equals.
 
Ban-jani said:
So in the end, Johnson is proposing something that May did and got turned down by her party?
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Sounds pretty much like it, wonder how those leavers on here that hated Mays deal so much feel. Not to mention the DUP , and the extreme ERGers. Of course its also the deal Johnson voted against and brought May down with.
 
hgblue said:
But we did act as a union. Every English, Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish person had a vote and the votes for each option added up. We didn’t vote as individual nations.
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Exactly. We Should have though.

imho.

Surely you can see the logic in that, even if you disagree, which i respect btw.
 
blueparrot said:
Sounds pretty much like it, wonder how those leavers on here that hated Mays deal so much feel. Not to mention the DUP , and the extreme ERGers. Of course its also the deal Johnson voted against and brought May down with.
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Rees-Mogg says "compromise is inevitable", he's obviously bought a new dictionary since May was ousted.
 
blueparrot said:
Sounds pretty much like it, wonder how those leavers on here that hated Mays deal so much feel. Not to mention the DUP , and the extreme ERGers. Of course its also the deal Johnson voted against and brought May down with.
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I think it’s something she proposed before the Withdrawal Agreement actually and it was quickly shot down by JRM and the ERG.
 
hgblue said:
But we did act as a union. Every English, Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish person had a vote and the votes for each option added up. We didn’t vote as individual nations.
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That is not a union. In the EU if a unanimous vote is required each nation has equal weight no matter the size of the nation. One nation votes it down the other 26 have to lump it. That’s a union.

I said two years ago for Brexit to work it requires the support of all four nations of our Union. Not half the nations or where one nations population far exceeds the other three. That’s not a union. That’s one nation with three colonies telling the colonies what to do.

It’s not sustainable.
 
lancs blue said:
Rees-Mogg says "compromise is inevitable", he's obviously bought a new dictionary since May was ousted.
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Someone better tell him that we didnt compromise. We made the EU cake their pants by threatening a no deal. That guy said so, multiple times.
 
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