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Gaudion M said:
But the time to accept we have to ignore it or vote again is fast approaching.
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Yeah this was foretold before the vote.

Its how the EU works and has history for and its been enabled by some of our politicians.

They must not be allowed to get away with it.
 
blueinsa said:
Yeah this was foretold before the vote.

Its how the EU works and has history for and its been enabled by some of our politicians.

They must not be allowed to get away with it.
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I'd just call it democracy. When policies fail we update our approach via subsequent votes.

And its not they - its us. Our parliament would take that decision and we would be voting.
 
Gaylord du Bois said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50043549
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So in effect Brexit really means the divisions and the bitter fighting between the two camps will continue for years to come. Sobering thought. Can’t see it ending well for anyone.

No wonder Salvini declared that for Italy the idea of leaving the Euro and EU was ‘dead’. It seems nothing has strengthened the EU more than the total shambles we have made in trying to leave it. We should get a medal or something :)
 
Meanwhile in other news...

‘Brexit Sec confirms Boris Johnson will write letter to the EU on Saturday if no deal has been agreed. This is under the terms of the Benn Act and would mean extension until Jan 31 2020’ @sky
 
BobKowalski said:
Meanwhile in other news...

‘Brexit Sec confirms Boris Johnson will write letter to the EU on Saturday if no deal has been agreed. This is under the terms of the Benn Act and would mean extension until Jan 31 2020’ @sky
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Grieve and co are over there now i believe asking the EU to do what they need....
 
SWP's back said:
In general or on here?

put the deal to the public in a binding vote. What possible downside is there to that? What do you have against it?
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It solves nothing.

We will have a hung parliament after the next GE and we would have an almost 50/50 split in a second ref, plus who is going to take it seriously when the result of the first one wasnt enacted?

Whats the question on it?

Is it legally binding this time?

Is it won by one single vote or do we have to have a super majority?

Will the losers respect or do we have the same situation yet again?
 
blueinsa said:
It solves nothing.

We will have a hung parliament after the next GE and we would have an almost 50/50 split in a second ref, plus who is going to take it seriously when the result of the first one wasnt enacted?

Whats the question on it?

Is it legally binding this time?

Is it won by one single vote or do we have to have a super majority?

Will the losers respect or do we have the same situation yet again?
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You need a super majority. You need to win in NI and Scotland. This was always the case.
 
Gaylord du Bois said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50043549
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"Few voters have changed their minds
Third, very few voters on either side of the argument have changed their minds about whether the UK should leave the EU. The country appears to be just as divided as it was three years ago."

Remoaners:

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Mëtal Bikër said:
"Few voters have changed their minds
Third, very few voters on either side of the argument have changed their minds about whether the UK should leave the EU. The country appears to be just as divided as it was three years ago."

Remoaners:

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The thread IQ takes a sharp downward turn.
 
blueinsa said:
It solves nothing.

We will have a hung parliament after the next GE and we would have an almost 50/50 split in a second ref, plus who is going to take it seriously when the result of the first one wasnt enacted?

Whats the question on it?

Is it legally binding this time?

Is it won by one single vote or do we have to have a super majority?

Will the losers respect or do we have the same situation yet again?
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So you think Leave would lose you mean? If the vote was based on the real world deal.
 
Vic said:
Who governs derives from who gets elected to Parliament. Parliament is sovereign.
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My point is, that is being challenged in as much as who in Parliament has the claim to sovereignty, is it the legislature or the executive. Either side of the debate has a different opinion.

This is an important point. If sovereignty does indeed reside solely with the executive then that is a road to despotism, if it resides with the legislature who hold the executive to account the likelihood of despotism diminishes. But does sovereignty residing with legislature reduce the effectiveness of the executive to govern. This is way above anything I have real knowledge of but its a serious constitutional conundrum in that how can the executive govern at all if the legislature holds all the power. Does it mean we are seeing the end of our form of democracy, does it mean the executive are hostages of the legislature. It is the fine balance that we have between the three pillars of power that are in question. If you add the Judiciary into the mix, and their power to challenge the executive on behalf of the legislature or the electorate then where does sovereignty actually rest.

Maybe I am just over thinking it and posting from a place where my ignorance has the better of my thought process. Best oil my brain I think :)
 
SWP's back said:
So you think Leave would lose you mean? If the vote was based on the real world deal.
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That's not what i said or think, no.

More than happy for us to rejoin the EU in another ref once we have left as per the result of the first one.
 
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