Jo Swinson

Rascal said:
That is true of every parties manifesto's.

I find things I disagree with and being beyond actual reality in every manifesto I have ever read from across the political spectrum apart from Michael Foot's for the 1983 GE which I considered a magnificent manifesto, unfortunately it was derided as the longest suicide note in history by others who didn't see the reality in it.

We do become conditioned into accepting our own particular viewpoints as being reality, and therefore we are equally dismissive of others views of reality. That is politics and sometimes we will blindly support something we know is not based on reality because we are human and we are tribal.

I am tribal Labour, on the left fringe of the Labour party and I have found things in Labour Party manifesto's that I believe have no basis in reality, but because I am tribal I will support them nonetheless and I know that has to happen to with tribal supporters of all parties. An instance would be in my opinion how could any Tory voter ever actually support the implementation of Universal Credit, that has no basis in reality, it is one of the poorest pieces of legislation and ill thought out policies I have ever seen and it has been so damaging to people in reality, yet people who vote Tory will ignore the reality of it and still vote Tory.
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This is why we're fucked as a nation... If you can't change despite your in-depth political knowledge then who can?
 
Bluemanc100 said:
This is why we're fucked as a nation... If you can't change despite your in-depth political knowledge then who can?
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I really don't know mate.

My beliefs are an extension of my personality and although I am open to other views and I am willing to investigate and explore other views I still come back to the point that my views are correct. Maybe that is arrogant in thinking I know better, maybe its my inability to take on board other views and adapt them according to my own. I try and I like to examine why I hold the views I do, but change is hard and I do think I have mellowed in some aspects but I have hardened in others.
 
Looking at the pictures from the Queens speech. One looks like she's vigourosly tugging Johnson off whilst Rabb put a finger up his hoop.

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On skynews now like the know it all mother, pontificating to all how she knows best and what needs too happen...

Seriously dislike this woman as a politician.
 
This is a huge missed opportunity for the Lib Dems. They could have had a remain based revival and been a genuine contender but they chose Swinson and they chose revoke whilst saddling up to the Tories when all the other parties together could have given her what the LD's had wanted all along. She's awful.
 
As a floating non partisan voter this politician confounds me and she and her party will not get my vote. I understand that all politicians are hypocrites but between the big three she leads a party I just can't get my head around. The political landscape of this country needs to change we are not being represented we are being pulled and pushed in directions we don't want to go, one of the messages I am getting is that they don't seem to care what we think and that what we think is irrelevant.

How do we change the political class? There has to be a big shift, an ideology probably and with that said my next vote will probably go to Corbyn mainly because the Tories haven't got the guts to deliver any conviction to the people of this country, Corbyn and co might actually do that, it may mean that the country has to put up with distasteful people in their ranks but there are distasteful politicians in every party.

Brexit which I voted against doesn't look like it's happening which pleases me but what doesn't please me is the journey we have had to get to that outcome, we have been lied to on all sides we've been told about Armageddon and that the NHS will be awash with money saved from leaving the union, the leave campaign used propaganda the remain camp threatened the country with a punishment budget, who do the floating voters trust?

Until it changes Corbyn and his gang of misfits will get my vote because hey let's give him a chance and see what a stint in government will get him rather than being in constant opposition, we really wont as a country suffer any more morally than we are doing right now.
 
blueinsa said:
When leavers and remainers can see right through here it says it all.
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I think it’s leavers and Labour supporters to be honest mostly.

I think she’s a bit meh. I don’t get inspired by her, she’s not that intelligent, I don’t necessarily agree with the LibDems political position, I’m more left economically and slightly more right socially and I don’t think revoke is the best option to repairing our social issues but she’s not that bad overall.

There’s much worse people to be running the country, including the current PM and whilst I prefer Corbyn’s manifesto to the LibDems, I think he’s got too many skeletons in his closet, despite the fact the media have it in for him.
 
Swinson is an "Orange Book" LD, which means she supports the same discredited neo-liberal "economics" as the Tories. People who support this claptrap are not "moderate". They are as hooked on political dogma as the most extreme of Marxists.

Swinson may, however, be kinder to gays, people of colour and other minorities than the Tories are - as long as they don't want to make use of public services of course.

What we are lacking in this country is genuinely moderate, pragmatic politicians. As opposed to people who point at Corbyn, define him as "extremist" and then claim by contrast to be "moderate" when in fact they are as extreme - if not more extreme - as he is, but in a different political direction. They get away with this line of argument because our press and media are a national disgrace, and in hock to plutocratic tax-dodgers.
 
mat said:

Yellow Tories.
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If them and the 8 labour wankers who also abstianed, then the motion would have passed.

All should be ashamed, but anyone thinkinng the lib dems are the answer to anything need to think again.
 
I really wish Jo wouldn't have said that about 'white men'.
As an ethnic minority, I hate it when race is dragged into it when there is no place. I also hate the sense of 'oh this isn't diverse enough because it's white men' - it creates a culture that BAME people are only there because of our skin colour.

I want the best 6 people discussing it, I don't care if they are white black blue or green.

It saddens me, I was giving serious considerations to voting for her party.


 
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