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M18CTID said:
I'm not averse to a second referendum based on the type of deal but how many options should there be? Should it only include whatever deal Johnson may agree with the EU or should the CU option be on the ballot paper too? Surely No Deal - as much as I don't want it - would have to be on there as well? I can think of 5 options:

Leave with Johnson's deal (whatever that may be)
Leave but stay in the CU (isn't this Labour's preferred option?)
Leave with no deal
Revoke and Remain
Revoke for now and re-activate at a later date when we're better prepared

The trouble is, looking at that BBC article, No Deal might have a decent chance of winning out of that lot. I actually know Remain voters who are probably more in favour of No Deal than I am because they're sick of the whole charade!
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So some Remainers are thick.... if they think that ends the charade.

Option 6. Freed trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
He went to the EU before calling the referendum. He hoped to avoid the scenario entirely as he felt the EU would have been more open to the UK's reasonable requests. They were not.

The results of his talks with Tusk were PRECISELY the catalyst that made him call for one.
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Was it bollocks. He called the referendum because he thought it would shut up the anti-EU lot in his own party (John Major's bastards), nothing to do with his chat with Tusk. He even told Tusk he was going to deliver a 65% vote in favour of remain. The chat with Tusk came after the election which he ran on a promise of holding the referendum.
 
bluejon said:
Was it bollocks. He called the referendum because he thought it would shut up the anti-EU lot in his own party (John Major's bastards), nothing to do with his chat with Tusk. He even told Tusk he was going to deliver a 65% vote in favour of remain. The chat with Tusk came after the election which he ran on a promise of holding the referendum.
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He had to call the referendum because he promised he'd get the reforms the majority of the leave lobby was asking for. When he didn't return with any other than "just veto" (i.e. the exact position we were already in) calls for independence got louder amongst the moderate leave lobby, such as myself.

I wasn't in favour of a referendum before it was called, and hoped for reforms in the EU. No such guarentees of reforming the EU were made, so I had to support independence and calls to be given the option of making my voice heard on the matter, before more laws were announced tying us to the EU further.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
You keep saying we are scrapping regulations where does it say that in this agreement we have not seen.

In any event there will be a general election and the govt of the day can include what it is going to do in its manifesto and enact as appropriate . If it’s labour you have no worries.
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There is an assumption that the Tories will immediately repeal all workers rights and regulations because its is presumed they only exist in the first place because of the EU.

What they forget is the Tories will get a rude awakening in the polling booths if they tried to do so.

The EU question aside, not everyone on the centre/centre-right is in favour of 60 hour weeks and putting kids back down the pits...
 
Vic said:
So some Remainers are thick.... if they think that ends the charade.
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I never said it ends it mate. I think it will add to the confusion but seeing as some seem to be in favour of another referendum - one that pitches a Leave deal against various other options - I just thought I'd throw in a few ideas as to what should be on the ballot paper.

The fact is that this charade ain't ending anytime soon regardless of how it spins.

Edit: Sorry, misread what you put! No, they're not thick - and I don't think they're under any illusions that it doesn't end. It's just a symptom of how sick some people are of hearing about it. Personally, I can't get behind No Deal and if we have to extend again then so be it.
 
bluejon said:
Please explain to me how leaving the EU is the same as remaining in the EU? I don't get what i want (I want us to remain) as we will have left the EU. There is no such thing as a fully independent completely self sufficient country in the 21st century, the world does not work like that anymore. The best thing for brexiters to do would be to build a time machine and fuck off back to the 1850s as that is the only version of Britain that is going to make them happy. I'm sure with all the scientific and intellectual experience in the pro-brexit community that shouldn't be too hard. Send Mark Francois back first, he can be the monkey.
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Exactly. We're finally fulfilling Prussia's aim of isolating Britain.
 
blueinsa said:
You mean conditions that attract business to the UK means job losses?

Wait...hang on...
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I don’t know. Do you want to work in a safe environment? Do you want as a consumer for your rights to be protected? Should we have cheaper food by having less vigorous animal welfare policies? And if we have less vigorous animal welfare policies it will also mean less safe food. Is that what you want? Is some big corporation getting a percentage point on its profit margins that important to you? For me personally it isn’t but we all have different standards I guess.
 
Hmmm...........looking like the DUP are in the process of shooting Johnson's fox..............note to Treasury " more money needed for Ulster"
 
BobKowalski said:
I think independent trade deals have become a fetish for some people. It’s unhealthy. I swear you guys would happily live in a shoe box if it meant the U.K. doing a trade with Uzbekistan or wherever. You’re still putting up trade barriers with the European Market on our border. We’re even thinking of putting up trade barriers within our own Union but no got to tie down that crucial Uzbekistan market :)
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Not a good example. Uzbekistan far more hoping for deals with the EU.
https://eeas.europa.eu/headquarters/headquarters-homepage_en/11047/EU-Uzbekistan relations
 
bluejon said:
He's the man whose stupidity and arrogance got us into this mess in the first place, I would thoroughly enjoy telling him to fuck off. I might even learn how to say fuck off in every single one of the languages spoken in the 28 countries of the EU just to get my point across. Even welsh.
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If i could 'reverse-thanos' snap my fingers, i would without hesitation see everything he did undone. Indyref, Brexit, burying the lib-dems, tho whole bloody lot. Sure, someone else would have to come along legalise gay marriage in England (imho his only meaningul contribution in the 5 years of wrecking-ball politics), but surely that'd be a given this day in age. And just leave us to the pre all-consuming politics days.
 
bluejon said:
Was it bollocks. He called the referendum because he thought it would shut up the anti-EU lot in his own party (John Major's bastards), nothing to do with his chat with Tusk. He even told Tusk he was going to deliver a 65% vote in favour of remain. The chat with Tusk came after the election which he ran on a promise of holding the referendum.
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I think it's fair to say he came up a bit short with that prediction!
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
Well again the money doesn’t go to the dup does it, that’s illegal. Dup secures more funding for Ireland in order to gain its support.

Maybe some of these labour MPs in leave areas could think of their constituents for once and go an see Boris ( is that an acceptable name) listen to the deal on offer and may be say yeah we will vote for it on condition.

You commit to prioritising and funding a East to west high speed rail line, more funding for schools and hospitals in the region?

That’s politics I am afraid . Will they do it will they fuck.
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Glad they have some principles left then.
 
BobKowalski said:
I don’t know. Do you want to work in a safe environment? Do you want as a consumer for your rights to be protected? Should we have cheaper food by having less vigorous animal welfare policies? And if we have less vigorous animal welfare policies it will also mean less safe food. Is that what you want? Is some big corporation getting a percentage point on its profit margins that important to you? For me personally it isn’t but we all have different standards I guess.
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I want to work up a chimney guv....

Bob, save your project fear, it doesnt work on me you should know that by now ;-)
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
You keep saying we are scrapping regulations where does it say that in this agreement we have not seen.

In any event there will be a general election and the govt of the day can include what it is going to do in its manifesto and enact as appropriate . If it’s labour you have no worries.
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The Tories aren’t pushing for a ‘divergent’ Brexit to increase consumer protections or increase workers rights are they? Right now there is a floor they cannot go below and if you remove that floor then they will push for standards and protections to be reduced.

And yes we will let them at some point because the argument will be ‘to thrive outside the EU we need to create a competitive advantage so we just need to remove or lower a few things here and there I mean you want us as a country to thrive don’t you? With Labour it will be propping up failing industry after failing industry.

The EU is a construct within which we operate along with 27 other countries. Put us totally outside that construct and fuck knows what mad ideas either main party will come up with. Bad enough in the EU but outside with these clowns on either side in charge? Give me a break.
 
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