Another new Brexit thread

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Ban-jani said:
We’ll wait and see.

I think there will be a straight vote on it first and I reckon it’ll get through.
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DUP are apparently saying nothing is changed and they're still not happy, in which case some of the ERG ultras will vote with the DUP.
 
To be fair to Johnson has actually done what most remainers said was impossible. He’s reopened the withdrawal agreement and got a deal much more in line with most brexiteers.

If mps vote against it, he will use that against them and say they are against any deal/ the people
 
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Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
To be fair to Johnson has actually done what most remainers said was impossible. He’s reopened the withdrawal agreement and got a sea much more in line with most brexiteers.

If mps vote against it he will use that against them and say they are against any deal/ the people
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This isn’t the case.

I’m glad a deal has been reached but all he’s done is take a deal already on offer from the EU.

They offered May the Irish Sea border 2 years ago and she said no.
 
west didsblue said:
Why don’t you counter the point made about none of the available Leave options not meeting the promises made before the referendum rather than just repeating yourself?
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we weren't supposed to Believe the promises, that's just 'remoaner nit-picking', all the racist stuff was just good-natured banter, and anyway, bus slogan graffiti had no effect what-so-ever on the ref. Everyone that voted leave had 'researched' and decided that the EU federal agenda was worse than losing jobs, houses , nhs , trading partners, f.o.m , ad nauseum and being trump-dependent was actually 'a good thing'. Every-where people gathered, physically and on social media the mood was euphoric, the cowardly remainers swept away in a reprise of Agincourt/wembley'66/Waterloo/Belgrano/Culloden(especially Culloden), freedom' on everyone's lips. Even the leader of the opposition had a slightly self-satisfied air. The ''enemy'' across the channel as farage named them, bleated about details, basically just playing for time, and said ok leave but there are loose ends and a bill to be settled. T.May happened, storm-clouds gathered, it turned out that EU membership was not like a tap, that could be switched off. The path to "freedom" not the cakewalk promised, but "the garden path" of impossible promises, pit-falls, with no happy ending. It was never "the plan" that failed, because any serious "plan" , requiring a binding referendum never existed. Unlike all previous schisms brexit splits the country in a way not seen before, a labour party faction supporting a hard right coup, a tory party faction NOT supporting a hard right coup. The Irish situation, in it's least complicated emanation pretty unsolvable, Scotland indepedence another minefield, regional inequalities, bizarre that London and the big conurbations being on the left, and the rural towns and villages being on the side of those who have caused their isolation, the tory party paymasters. When may promised to 'try' and protect workers and human rights, the alarm bells were at max vol, doubts became realities for millions.
In short, a mountain of shit about to descend, and the absolute cast-iron certainty that a mad mad scramble to meet some ulterior motive driven dead-line will make things worse on a logarithmic scale. Hard-core thatcherites/alt/rt/faragists/self-harmers/masochists/xenophobes/delusional zealots will not be satisfied by anything less, under the " Banner of Democracy"....beyond parody, beyond belief,
 
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