Another new Brexit thread

[Coatigan]

I wonder how may are thinking fuck, we should have had a VoNC when we could as this deal has pissed on a few chips and put them in a position of them saying to the country i no i said i dont want no deal but really i lied and i dont want any deal.

Ooops!

I'll be honest, the thought had crossed my mind.

Not in those terms (as in, we vs them) but, in terms of the opposition vs the gov.

But, agreed with resisting no-deal, and still do, that it was necessary to stop boris crashing us out

 

[blueinsa]

How about we call it a deal when the EU and the HOC have all agreed to it, without further votes or referendums. Then we can have a party.

Until then my view is unchanged from circa August 2018 where I said the Tories are backing themselves into an unworkable form of brexit and its a corner they wont get out of, as a result we will not leave. I stand by that.

Its a deal when Dublin, Brussels and the government agree.

The rest have to search their souls and let the country know exactly what their stance is and I've little doubt has been all along.

Tick tock to the GE and they know it.

 

[Hart of the Matter]

Confirmation referendum now looks the only way out for everyone. Vote for this deal or stay. I think Mays deal was the better of the two but was still leaving us tied to Europe with no voice. The politicos have done there best/worst. Time to take it out of their hands...

 

[blueinsa]

Two things.

Mood of the country? Debatable what that mood is.
Secondly even if the mood is pro leave, the Labour party are entitled to think that the public is wrong on this. They should go with what they think is right not with what will get them the most votes.

What is it?

Changes by the day and dependant on who they roll out?

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

That's what I thought. Why bother giving us another extension if this deal gets voted down and the EU are not going to compromise any further? It doesn't really leave anywhere to go.

Exactly. This is the best/ only deal on offer now. Another extension for no reason.

They aren’t going to create an entire new brexit agreement for a third time

 

[Coatigan]

Any point in an extension now ??

The eu have just negotiated a deal. They aren’t going to want to renegotiate it again

Only if it gets voted down, or amended to inc a 2nd ref.

 

[blueinsa]

Confirmation referendum now looks the only way out for everyone. Vote for this deal or stay. I think Mays deal was the better of the two but was still leaving us tied to Europe with no voice. The politicos have done there best/worst. Time to take it out of their hands...

Vote for this deal or no deal.

We already voted to leave but nice try.

 

[Ban-jani]

What was previously offered was apparently off the table.... Mays deal was the only deal.

I never thought you would offer any credit. Anything but brexit. Doesn’t matter what the deal is you’d still be moaning

This just shows your lack of understanding on how the last 3 years has gone. The EU initially offered around 15 deals, based on agreements they have with other countries and May’s red lines meant that she could only secure her deal.

This Irish Sea border deal was offered previously and put to the Cabinet and Tory party and it got a resounding fuck off.

All Johnson has done is now brush that up a little and state it’s a new deal.

The only thing he deserves credit for is making a concession to try and get the deal through.

Unfortunately for him it’s looking like it won’t get the backing in the House now.

I’ve said x amount of times on here I’m content if parliament votes through a deal. I don’t let bias get in the way of objectivity.

 

[mat]

Two motions tabled by the Government on Saturday. "Approve the deal" Or "Approve a no deal Brexit" They've given the debate time of 90 minutes. Not including the PM making a speech which could last 85 minutes. JRM is stifling parliament debate.

 

[Coatigan]

Get the guys who did the Benn act on it.

Couple of hours, bish bash bosh, done!

No need for detail or digesting in their world.

Yes, i'm sure you think the two are of the same complexity and require the same level of scrutiny and time to process.

 

[Hart of the Matter]

Vote for this deal or no deal.

We already voted to leave but nice try.

Put no deal in the equation then. Not rocket science. No deal is not palatable to many brexiteers so would not reflect their referendum choice. Latest polls show about 25% in favour of no deal. No dealers trying to hijack the democratic processes perhaps?

 

[George Hannah]

Corbyn has already said he would wave this through as an amendment which pitches it against revoke in a second ref.

Jezzer didn't even mention a second referendum in his comments just now, there is no HoC majority for another 6 month delay and even rumours that the EU will not allow any extension post Oct 31.

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

Lmao

 

[aguero93:20]

Assuming the un-whipped Tories don't vote with the gov. Or that labour ALL vote against it.

It is literally unguessable.

They've always needed labour votes to get it through if you ask me, the Tory party have been too divided and the 52% figure was only reached with labour voters.

 

[dave_blue12]

Two motions tabled by the Government on Saturday. "Approve the deal" Or "Approve a no deal Brexit" They've given the debate time of 90 minutes. Not including the PM making a speech which could last 85 minutes. JRM is stifling parliament debate.

Entirely predictable. They don’t want those pesky elected MPs asking awkward questions.
Don’t think they will get away with it.

As for those praising Johnson for getting a deal. Stop posting you’re embarrassing yourselves. This deal has been available all along.

 

[M18CTID]

No point.

Shit or get off the pot time on Saturday.

Time to show the country who they really are and what they really want.

In terms of votes, Labour will be crucial here I think. If Corbyn is sending out messages that they won't back it, then we could be back to square one. That's his and Labour's right of course but you have to wonder what their motivation is. If they think it's a shit deal, fine, but could Labour get a better one out of the EU if they won an election? That's what I'd be asking. Or is it just party politics and they can't be seen to vote for anything negotiated by a Tory PM? Obviously that one works both ways of course and if it was a Labour PM getting a deal, I'm sure a lot of Tories would be against it.

I just think Corbyn is playing a dangerous game here and in recommending that his MPs scupper the deal, he could be scuppering his own chances of becoming PM as well as inadvertently putting No Deal back on the table. Let's also remember that he's voted against the EU virtually all his political life so he's hardly a Remainer at heart and as such I'm not even sure he's in favour of a second referendum.

 

[George Hannah]

Lmao

all the way out of the EU??? Strange sense of humour given what you claim you wanted.

 

[blueinsa]

Jezzer didn't even mention a second referendum in his comments just now, there is no HoC majority for another 6 month delay and even rumours that the EU will not allow any extension post Oct 31.

He wants to leave so no surprise.

 

[SWP's back]

Vote for this deal or no deal.

We already voted to leave but nice try.

Surprised you’ve not mentioned this before.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Two motions tabled by the Government on Saturday. "Approve the deal" Or "Approve a no deal Brexit" They've given the debate time of 90 minutes. Not including the PM making a speech which could last 85 minutes. JRM is stifling parliament debate.

Not sure how that works?

HoC can only vote yes or no. That would have to be 2 things - vote y or n on teh deal and if n then vote again y or n on no deal. The Ben act requires a deal to be passed so any attempt to rail road this would just result in both proposals being voted down and then Ben act comes in and we have an extension.

Makes a mockery of the HoC to be honest and makes it look like he has no intention to take it forward as a serious proposal.