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In terms of votes, Labour will be crucial here I think. If Corbyn is sending out messages that they won't back it, then we could be back to square one. That's his and Labour's right of course but you have to wonder what their motivation is. If they think it's a shit deal, fine, but could Labour get a better one out of the EU if they won an election? That's what I'd be asking. Or is it just party politics and they can't be seen to vote for anything negotiated by a Tory PM? Obviously that one works both ways of course and if it was a Labour PM getting a deal, I'm sure a lot of Tories would be against it.

I just think Corbyn is playing a dangerous game here and in recommending that his MPs scupper the deal, he could be scuppering his own chances of becoming PM as well as inadvertently putting No Deal back on the table. Let's also remember that he's voted against the EU virtually all his political life so he's hardly a Remainer at heart.

A leaver who sees a chance at a power grab but he has ruined that chance by refusing a GE and now with a deal on the table they said was impossible they look pretty fucking stupid.

The electorate will see on Saturday what some of them are all about and i hope they fuck every single one of them out at the next GE.
 
No point.

Shit or get off the pot time on Saturday.

Time to show the country who they really are and what they really want.

To be fair though, there’s plenty that have always advocated a softer Brexit than either of the deals the tories have negotiated. The entire debate has shifted right over the last few years, particularly recently.
 
A leaver who sees a chance at a power grab but he has ruined that chance by refusing a GE and now with a deal on the table they said was impossible they look pretty fucking stupid.

The electorate will see on Saturday what some of them are all about and i hope they fuck every single one of them out at the next GE.

Yeah, that's my thinking too. I said weeks ago on one of the threads (can't remember which one), that I felt his best chance of winning a GE was there and then because at that point the Tories were all over the show, and the Brexit negotiations weren't exactly going anywhere. Instead, he's gambled on the Tories imploding still further and by the looks of it, it's backfired on him.
 
Entirely predictable. They don’t want those pesky elected MPs asking awkward questions.
Don’t think they will get away with it.

As for those praising Johnson for getting a deal. Stop posting you’re embarrassing yourselves. This deal has been available all along.
Rees Most is gerrymandering parliament.

Bercow just told him as chair he can decide how long the debates can last. The SNP has noted their MP's can't get from their constuancies in time for it.

Moggie also didn't give the house notice of the paper he was about to bring. Some MPs have accuses him of mocking them as he walked into parliament waving the motion papers over his head.
 
Rees Most is gerrymandering parliament.

Bercow just told him as chair he can decide how long the debates can last. The SNP has noted their MP's can't get from their constuancies in time for it.

Moggie also didn't give the house notice of the paper he was about to bring. Some MPs have accuses him of mocking them as he walked into parliament waving the motion papers over his head.

How terrible.
 
Rees Most is gerrymandering parliament.

Bercow just told him as chair he can decide how long the debates can last. The SNP has noted their MP's can't get from their constuancies in time for it.

Moggie also didn't give the house notice of the paper he was about to bring. Some MPs have accuses him of mocking them as he walked into parliament waving the motion papers over his head.

Rees Mogg is an absolute tit.
 
In terms of votes, Labour will be crucial here I think. If Corbyn is sending out messages that they won't back it, then we could be back to square one. That's his and Labour's right of course but you have to wonder what their motivation is. If they think it's a shit deal, fine, but could Labour get a better one out of the EU if they won an election? That's what I'd be asking. Or is it just party politics and they can't be seen to vote for anything negotiated by a Tory PM? Obviously that one works both ways of course and if it was a Labour PM getting a deal, I'm sure a lot of Tories would be against it.

I just think Corbyn is playing a dangerous game here and in recommending that his MPs scupper the deal, he could be scuppering his own chances of becoming PM as well as inadvertently putting No Deal back on the table. Let's also remember that he's voted against the EU virtually all his political life so he's hardly a Remainer at heart and as such I'm not even sure he's in favour of a second referendum.

Corbyn is a democrat above all else. If it meant democracy wins he would sacrifice his chance of becoming PM. Unlike Boris or Swinson.

History will judge him better than his peers and the media ever have.
 
The EU haven’t moved, this was one of their initial proposals, Johnson’s team weren’t in negotiations until the last fortnight when they became desperate and you’re still a nincompoop.
I'm trying to work out which character out of Jeeves and Wooster he idolises.
 
Letwin has asked for an amendment to allow amendments to the question.

It was a clever speech. Really Machevallian.

They are voting on that now.
 
Not sure how that works?

HoC can only vote yes or no. That would have to be 2 things - vote y or n on teh deal and if n then vote again y or n on no deal. The Ben act requires a deal to be passed so any attempt to rail road this would just result in both proposals being voted down and then Ben act comes in and we have an extension.

Makes a mockery of the HoC to be honest and makes it look like he has no intention to take it forward as a serious proposal.

I believe the Benn Act requires a legal agreement to be brought before Parliament. It does not have to be passed.

The more I think about it the more I think that this is the game Johnson is playing.

He has given in on virtually everything on this deal. He doesn't want it to go through, he wants it to be rejected, he then gets the no deal he has been positioned to deliver.

This could well come down to the courts again to stop this devious plan.

If only Jacob hadn't drafted that amendment to the Taxation (Cross Border) Act 2018. ;-)
 
Damn what did I miss? Can you reload the offensive exchanges using false usernames ?
I missed all that as well

It is what comes of not living on here as some seem to - I only catch up with the juicy exchanges after they have been deleted - so never catch-up on them at all!!
 
A lot of Labour Mp’s need to have a think about what their constituents voted for! When representing the people as they are with this, there should be a free vote for Mp’s for me.

I think the public are that sick of it all now, that most would just want a deal done and get on with the work thereafter.

It’s already gone on for 3.5 years! How much longer do they want.

Labour will never win a general election with Corbyn in charge. I am from a labour stronghold and so many people now say they wouldn’t vote for him.

If Johnson gets a deal through, he will walk an election with a big majority I think.
 
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