Another new Brexit thread

[blueinsa]

It allowed for the unlawful activity surrounding the vote to go largely unpunished.

Change the fucking record dave, its stuck!

 

[dave_blue12]

Parliament is sovereign and they regard it as binding, the courts have zero to do with it, they are irrelevant you are just up the same spout as @Rascal.

Correct. Parliament is sovereign and is not bound to deliver brexit.

 

[aguero93:20]

The tedium continues - read them again, they are all irrelevant. The referendum was made politically binding on Parliament by Parliament.

Show me the act that they passed, that defines a specific version of Brexit and is capable of stopping article 50 from being extended or revoked.

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

I also blame Remain for running an absolute shit campaign too, despite having all the big hitters on their side. Both campaigns were utter fucking dogshit.

True, but I heard someone put it well the other day:
It's difficult to make the status quo sexy.

 

[blueinsa]

Agreed ..... but maybe ..... just maybe .... the 1/3rd who didn't bother to vote ... just might have done had they been told repeatedly that it was binding (which would've required a parliamentary act - which didn't happen)

The 1/3rd dont matter. By not voting they essentially say they dont care.

Tough!

 

[Mike D]

How the actual fuck does your brain come up with that claptrap?

Must have hit a nerve truth hurts

 

[aguero93:20]

Agreed ..... but maybe ..... just maybe .... the 1/3rd who didn't bother to vote ... just might have done had they been told repeatedly that it was binding (which would've required a parliamentary act - which didn't happen)

Incorrect. Parliament could have passed an act making the referendum specific and binding and then the next day revoked it. Parliament are sovereign. You're not a direct democracy and you never will be without a written constitution making it so.

 

[Blue Maverick]

Sick to fucking death of it all, go to another referendum to the public leave or remain with the caveat that whatever the outcome every single fucking one of the MPs should reason go and get a proper job and never be allowed back in parliament. Absolute teats all of them.

 

[dave_blue12]

Change the fucking record dave, its stuck!

I will continue to post whatever I please subject to moderation.

I certainly won't be taking any notice of anyone such as your goodself.

 

[M18CTID]

True, but I heard someone put it well the other day:
It's difficult to make the status quo sexy.

Try telling that to Zabaleta

 

[hgblue]

Macron’s the man. I’ve always loved the French ;)

 

[SWP's back]

of course they do.

See you in 3 months time when they still haven't even fucking read it because they have no intentions of delivering brexit.

We can but hope.

 

[aguero93:20]

Try telling that to Zabaleta

He's a lot sexier than any of your politicians though.

 

[George Hannah]

It's very relevant.
It allowed for the unlawful activity surrounding the vote to go largely unpunished.
How the fuck can the technical status of a referendum be irrelevant ffs.
If you were correct MPs would be currently breaking the law. They are not and they are not bound.

That's true but it does not make the referendum result any less binding on Parliament. You will have noticed that it turned out there was no illegal activity by Vote Leave but even if there was it is irrelevant to the democratic mandate brought into being. Every MP now accepts this.

 

[i kne albert davy]

FFS

https://fullfact.org/europe/was-eu-referendum-advisory/

https://www.channel4.com/news/factc...y-said-the-eu-referendum-was-binding-it-wasnt

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ng-brexit-lisbon-cameron-sovereign-parliament

https://www.theweek.co.uk/brexit/73775/eu-referendum-is-the-brexit-result-legally-binding

https://www.quora.com/The-EU-refere...-why-was-the-government-so-intent-on-doing-it

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ourt-legal-challenge-article-50-a7418706.html


Please read , note and inwardly digest

Re-watch the PMs speech on the referendum prior to the 2016 vote note and inwardly digest. because he clearly says it is just to be sure people knew what they were voting for.

 

[blueinsa]

I will continue to post whatever I please subject to moderation.

I certainly won't be taking any notice of anyone such as your goodself.

But you just did........

 

[M18CTID]

We can but hope.

Prediction - Brexit is never going to happen

 

[aguero93:20]

That's true but it does not make the referendum result any less binding on Parliament. You will have noticed that it turned out there was no illegal activity by Vote Leave but even if there was it is irrelevant to the democratic mandate brought into being. Every MP now accepts this.

Parliament are sovereign and cannot be bound. You fail to recognise this.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I did say he has paved the way for the next leader. He has reclaimed the ground that they can work on.

I know you did mate. But he's working the wrong ground.

You didn't address my comments about the difference between UK 1974 and UK 2019. Furthermore, right now is fertile ground for Corbyn. Years of Tory rule, years of slow growth and austerity, years of food banks. And he STILL lost by miles, at his high water point.

How do you think Labour will manage when the good times come (as invariably they do, it's always cyclical) and we have wages growth, even lower unemployment, tax cuts, more public sector spending? 2017 was hard-left Labour's moment and if they couldn't win then, they NEVER will.

And again, this is not just wishful thinking on my part. It's based on the fact that over the past 50 years, people have been getting better and better off. People have seen that if they contact BT, they get an engineer around sharpish. They don't have to wait 3 months to get a telephone installed, which is what it was like when the GPO ran everything. People can shop on a Wednesday, in the afternoon! Momentum and everything they stand for, is not what people want anymore.

The sooner people like you get your head around this, the sooner Labour can start thinking about more moderate policies and how they might appeal to people on more than £30k a year. The pool of voters you're aiming at, is not big enough for you to ever win.

 

[George Hannah]

Show me the act that they passed, that defines a specific version of Brexit and is capable of stopping article 50 from being extended or revoked.

Not required for Parliament to honour its own promises, they just have to ensure the UK leaves the EU.