Another new Brexit thread

[Metal Biker]

He cannot go for an election without the collusion of the opposition.

Parliament will require him to seek an extension to January.

The bill has not got through yet. At the final reading the stars might align completely differently.

And if the EU doesn't grant it?

 

[aguero93:20]

I've always thought that referendums like this should be a two-thirds majority, because unlike a general election, it's effectively a permanent change. But all of the problems have occurred because it was only an advisory referendum. If it had been binding, presumably there'd need to be far more detail about how it was to be enacted. It's almost as if it was all done in a half-arsed way to save David Cameron's party, rather than for the good of the country.

A 2/3rds majority also has the added advantage of being able to lose the fringe nutters on either side while holding a majority to push the necessary changes through.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

And if the EU doesn't grant it?

they will.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

I've always thought that referendums like this should be a two-thirds majority, because unlike a general election, it's effectively a permanent change. But all of the problems have occurred because it was only an advisory referendum. If it had been binding, presumably there'd need to be far more detail about how it was to be enacted. It's almost as if it was all done in a half-arsed way to save David Cameron's party, rather than for the good of the country.

the vote should have been compulsory too.

 

[aguero93:20]

And if the EU doesn't grant it?

they will.

Agreed. The positive result on second reading today will give them enough reason to, this is progress over May's attempts.

 

[Metal Biker]

Agreed. The positive result on second reading today will give them enough reason to, this is progress over May's attempts.

Ah I see. They will, because they just will.

Good to know.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Ah I see. They will, because they just will.

Good to know.

try reading up on it.

 

[Metal Biker]

try reading up on it.

Care to point me in the right direction?

 

[mat]

Looks like Boris has put his dick in the vice and set his shed on fire. His only escape is to cut his cock off.

 

[1.618034]

Care to point me in the right direction?

https://www.google.com

 

[Metal Biker]

https://www.google.com

Yep, thought so. You've not a clue, have you, why the EU "just will".

 

[1.618034]

Yep, thought so. You've not a clue, have you, why the EU "just will".

will the eu grant an extension

 

[1.618034]

Or even...

why the eu will grant an extension

 

[Metal Biker]

Or even...

why the eu will grant an extension

Ones behind a paywall, the other says "likely". Nothing concrete.

Also, why not just link in the first place rather than act smarmy?

 

[Blue Hefner]

The EU are extremely likely to grant an extension as if they don’t it will look like they are kicking an existing member out, which will not look good

Source: BBC Brexitcast a month or so ago

 

[Metal Biker]

The EU are extremely likely to grant an extension as if they don’t it will look like they are kicking an existing member out, which will not look good

Source: BBC Brexitcast a month or so ago

We requested to leave and haven't revoked it. The EU won't be seen as "kicking us out", but honouring our request to leave after invoking that right through activation and acknowledgment of Article 50.

If we ask to revoke and they refuse, then your comment will make sense.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Whilst in the break, I think Johnson might go for a short (2 week) extension. 19 Labour MPs defied the whip. That's roughly double what he needs to get his deal done. So he's home and dry if he just gives in to a couple more weeks of debate time. No-one will change their position one iota during that period - it's just a complete waste of time - but that may be all that's needed to get it over the line.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

The EU are extremely likely to grant an extension as if they don’t it will look like they are kicking an existing member out, which will not look good

Source: BBC Brexitcast a month or so ago

Quite telling that they insist a no deal Brexit will never be of their doing. I can't see Boris getting the bill passed until it has been amended so much that it might as well be remain or has a 'peoples vote' attached to it to give the public a chance to do as they are told second time round.

 

[Blue Hefner]

We requested to leave and haven't revoked it. The EU won't be seen as "kicking us out", but honouring our request to leave after invoking that right through activation and acknowledgment of Article 50.

If we ask to revoke and they refuse, then your comment will make sense.

Take it up with the BBC, that was the opinion of their leading political journalists and the one based in Brussels, in particular

We(the UK) are currently in the leaving process, if we need more time then we need more time. If they refuse to grant the extension then, I think it will look like they are kicking us out.

You don’t throw someone out of the house whilst they have asked for 10 more minutes to find their shoes

 

[blueparrot]

Whilst in the break, I think Johnson might go for a short (2 week) extension. 19 Labour MPs defied the whip. That's roughly double what he needs to get his deal done. So he's home and dry if he just gives in to a couple more weeks of debate time. No-one will change their position one iota during that period - it's just a complete waste of time - but that may be all that's needed to get it over the line.

A lot of those Labour Mps and probably some of the tory rebels voted for it with the intention of voting for amendments to it, amendments that will probably lose ERG votes so not quite so home and dry.