Another new Brexit thread

[Chippy_boy]

I wasn't talking about his salary.

I was.

You were talking about him wrecking the economy purely for personal monetary gain. I was pointing out to you how silly that suggestion is.

 

[M18CTID]

He’s a very smart bloke. People who can’t look past his bumbling nature and persona are the morons.

He’s also a proper **** though but a smart one.

That's not a nice thing to say about Vinny

 

[Ban-jani]

I'm looking at a deal that barely got over 50% support in polls before anyone had a chance to pick it apart.

Isn’t that because Brexit is roughly 50%?

 

[Ban-jani]

That's not a nice thing to say about Vinny

Who?

 

[M18CTID]

Who?

Am I being Clarkie'd here?

 

[Chippy_boy]

Handing over control is precisely what will happen during the years of status quo/transition and depending on what future trade deal we do negotiate there could be several years of an actual ‘implementation period’. The length of this though will depend on exactly how close a relationship we negotiate and whilst that will depend on who is in power over the next five to ten years it will largely be dictated by trade gravity and the need to fit into the EU economic zone especially on Services. It will also be dictated by NI as the only back for them would be through close regulatory alignment etc.

To be honest all I can see is years of uncertainty for the UK, it’s people and businesses and at the end if it we will be pretty much where we are now.

You're still living in 2015/16, Bob.

This would have been all very interesting before the vote, but since all parties agreed we'd leave, both after the result in 2016 and then again in 2017, then how difficult this transition period may or may not be, is interesting but ultimately irrelevant. It's what must be done.

 

[aguero93:20]

Isn’t that because Brexit is roughly 50%?

Yep. What happens if the opposition start setting the different Brexit camps against each other?

 

[Chippy_boy]

Yep. What happens if the opposition start setting the different Brexit camps against each other?

Or the Remain camps? Swinson vs Corbyn; Schengen vs no Schengen; join the Euro vs stay out of the Euro; EU army vs no EU army. Goodness knows how split the Remain vote could be.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

He’s a very smart bloke. People who can’t look past his bumbling nature and persona are the morons.

He’s also a proper **** though but a smart one.

Not smart enough to avoid being sacked for lying, getting all kinds of women up the duff or keep hold of stable relationships, though.

You can be intelligent but daft, and that's what he is.

 

[aguero93:20]

Or the Remain camps? Swinson vs Corbyn; Schengen vs no Schengen; join the Euro vs stay out of the Euro; EU army vs no EU army. Goodness knows how split the Remain vote could be.

Yep. That's why a majority for any party is going to be a difficult ask and a big enough majority for Johnson to be able to alienate either wing of his party isn't going to happen.

 

[Ban-jani]

Yep. What happens if the opposition start setting the different Brexit camps against each other?

Farage is dead, Johnson has murdered him and the LibDems and Labour will split the remain vote.

 

[Ban-jani]

Not smart enough to avoid being sacked for lying, getting all kinds of women up the duff or keep hold of stable relationships, though.

You can be intelligent but daft, and that's what he is.

100% correct.

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

Farage is dead, Johnson has murdered him and the LibDems and Labour will split the remain vote.

I can see the bxp taking some leave-labour seats that conservatives won't get because of history.
I think they'll be a minority party though

 

[Ban-jani]

Am I being Clarkie'd here?

No haha.

I often don’t take in parts of a post that don’t actually matter to the point.

My mates think I’m slightly autistic.

 

[mcfc1632]

If it was non-negotiable we would be stuck with May's WA. I thought we'd forced the EU to the negotiating table. No?

Very happy for your suggested way through.

LOL

So after soooo many posts from Remainers stating that the EU would not (under any circumstances) reopen the WA - they are now quite casual about they will make more changes

I am not suggesting they will not - just smiling at the inconsistency of Remainers - who seem to simply state 'certainty' on whatever position is convenient at any given time

When thinking about what will be the next piece of 'certainty' Remainers will embrace as their core message a bit of Dylan comes to mind:

"The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind
The answer is blowin' in the wind."

 

[Vic]

You're still living in 2015/16, Bob.

This would have been all very interesting before the vote, but since all parties agreed we'd leave, both after the result in 2016 and then again in 2017, then how difficult this transition period may or may not be, is interesting but ultimately irrelevant. It's what must be done.

Can this really be the same Chippy who has spent three years putting right all the people who thought the EU would be desperate for a deal? The same chippy who posted

A bit like the 17m voters who were prepared to fuck the country.

 

[mcfc1632]

Only going off what the focus group said, being uninformed isn't being stupid so I'd appreciate you not trying to weaponise my posts to suit your agenda thanks.

Ok......

But let's try again to get you to answer the substantive question....

So - your point appears to be a version of "The people were too uninformed...."

Your only answer seems to be - because of this - we should simply Remain?

Is it? Do you have anything else to offer?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

The prospect would be intriguing, the learning experience is a changing experience, who knows what may result. You certainly seem to have enjoyed his company.

I did.

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

Ok......

But let's try again to get you to answer the substantive question....

So - your point appears to be a version of "The people were too uninformed...."

Your only answer seems to be - because of this - we should simply Remain?

Is it? Do you have anything else to offer?

I believe there are no meaningful benefits to leaving, especially abandoning the European customs union and single market which could have been kept hold of in an EFTA/EEA deal.

So soft brexit/remain while protecting our economy, freedoms such as freedom of movement, would be the best for the county in my opinion.

 

[M18CTID]

I did.

I'm guessing you're about the only person who ever has ;)