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BobKowalski said:
Whilst we wait for our King across the sea to announce his decision on whether we Brexit or suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous externity, I was wondering if anyone actually liked the final terms (not you Arlene) of WA Mk II? The EU didn’t whistle for its money (yep Johnson again), did get 8 years of oversight on EU citizens and did avoid a land border in Ireland (yes I know Arlene it isn’t fair) by imposing a border within our own Union.

In return we got at least 3 years of transition which I understand our King across the water is looking forward to...or maybe he is just fishing in a sea of troubles. Who knows.

So do we actually like the deal so far and if so why?
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Gets rid of a hard border in Ireland. Makes a united Ireland more likely. Could be worse than other possible deals. Can't be better than present deal.

Just revoke.
 
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It seems to me labour and the lib dems don't want an election because the electorate can't be trusted to produce the 'right' result. They should go to the polls so now we've all seen the deal and know what a Tory brexit looks like we can vote it out of existence and get either Swainson or corbyn in. What can possibly be wrong with that?
 
Chippy_boy said:
Haha very funny.

The NI situation is sub-optimal, but there is no optimal, so sub will have to do. You know full well how significant the uncontrolled immigration issue is to many, many people. It would be entirely wrong IMO to implement a Brexit which made no changes whatsoever to our ability to limit numbers of migrants coming in from the EU. May was right to treat that as a red line. (Probably about the ONLY thing I can ever remember saying she got right.)
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What changes were necessary (beyond those already allowed that the government chose not to apply)?
 
blueparrot said:
because the ERG though they could bring her down ,replace her with one of their own and get a harder Brexit. They got 2 out of 3 doesn't mean Johnsons deal is better than Mays.
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Erm, Labour and the SNP have voted against both May's deal AND Boris's.

You absolving them of any blame for a deal not being concluded? Nah, just blame the ERG for EVERYTHING!
 
denislawsbackheel said:
when first presented May’s bill would have passed if not for the fascist ERG.
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If I remember they were a few Labour and independents that voted for it , if all the tories and their partners in the DUP had voted for it too we would have left 6 months ago, whether Labour, SNP and Liberals voted for it or not.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Erm, Labour and the SNP have voted against both May's deal AND Boris's.

You absolving them of any blame for a deal not being concluded? Nah, just blame the ERG for EVERYTHING!
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Maybe if the May government tried to get cross party support for the sort of deal a majority would accept before agreeing something with the EU and presenting it as a fait accompli to the opposition you might have a point.
 
Coatigan said:
In all fairness to May, the polls were as good for her as they are for boris, when she called a G.E. She was trying to do the same thing he is, prioritize strengthening her and the tory partys position, over delivering Brexit.
Boris lost a bigger chunk of the majority than she did btw.
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And promptly got it back again, which she didn't.

I agree she was only trying to do what he is trying to do. The differences are (a) she had a choice, she did not need to go to the country and in fact had repeatedly said that she would not, and (b) he's not the most useless campaigner in the history of politics.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Haha very funny.

The NI situation is sub-optimal, but there is no optimal, so sub will have to do. You know full well how significant the uncontrolled immigration issue is to many, many people. It would be entirely wrong IMO to implement a Brexit which made no changes whatsoever to our ability to limit numbers of migrants coming in from the EU. May was right to treat that as a red line. (Probably about the ONLY thing I can ever remember saying she got right.)
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Glad you liked it :)

For me the fact we allowed our Union to be carved into seperate economic zones and we accepted it without so much as a squeak of protest is a bad sign going forward. It’s a sign of a nation’s political and media class that has become overwhelmed by this issue and is no longer able to defend its interests or even its sovereign integrity.

There will be no changes to immigration for years to come and any future deal that seeks to keep our Services sector running its healthy surplus with Europe will need a liberal immigration policy to underpin it.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
We have never said that we would agree to a General Election if an extension was agreed ..... we have always said that we would agree to a General Election once the threat of a no deal Brexit was taken off the table
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Is "wrong" as specialist subject of yours or something? Do you swot up on it?

26th September: United Kingdom opposition leader Jeremy Corbyn will demand a general election as soon as a Brexit extension is secured from the European Union.


Pressed on whether he would whip MPs to vote for an election the moment an extension is agreed, he said: "Absolutely. Once we have agreed on the extension and carrying out the law of this country - at that point, and I made that very clear in my conference speech - we will support a general election."


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019...brexit-extension-secured-190926170056113.html

@Len Rum : Add it to your list of Labour Lies.
 
M18CTID said:
I wonder if this superior intelligence of Remainers extends to that woman who thought leaving the EU meant no more Nandos. That’s right - the UK leaving the EU means she can no longer eat at a South African restaurant chain.
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Doesn't change the evidence of all research that the better educated you were (not necessarily most intelligent) the more likely you were to vote Remain.
 
Boris is looking for a ton of dead cats to distract from breaking his own election promise.

Expect lots of election! election! election! And maybe a smidgeon of Labour in crisis news stories.
 
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