Another new Brexit thread

[Vic]

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Or we’d revoke and immediately call a GE and the fans of Brexit can vote for a party that wants the shit show to carry on and the rest of us can vote for a party that wants to focus on what’s good for the country.

Hmmm .... I'm not sure if there's a HoC majority for Revoke. There's certainly a majority against the absolute folly of No Deal, so it would come down to whether (a) Labour could embrace Revoke and (b) enough Labour MPs would rebel. Of course, the next twist would be the EU adding - "but of course you can have an extension if it's for a referendum on this deal v Revoke Article 50".

 

[west didsblue]

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Hmmm .... I'm not sure if there's a HoC majority for Revoke. There's certainly a majority against the absolute folly of No Deal, so it would come down to whether (a) Labour could embrace Revoke and (b) enough Labour MPs would rebel. Of course, the next twist would be the EU adding - "but of course you can have an extension if it's for a referendum on this deal v Revoke Article 50".

I agree there’d be no majority for revoke without the alternative being a totally unacceptable deal or no deal. With that choice all bets are off.

 

[Len Rum]

I think this deserves a re-post:

You are becoming the forum bore mate.
Take a day off and seek professional help.

 

[George Hannah]

Do you mean Pol Roger?

Sorry, I did, not been to Tesco for a while - the old memory bank isn't what it was :(

 

[George Hannah]

You are becoming the forum bore mate.
Take a day off and seek professional help.

love hurts .....

 

[Vic]

I think this deserves a re-post:

Or we could just leave the EU and ignore your wishes (as most people who've studied - hard or otherwise - want to Remain).

 

[Len Rum]

Sorry, I did, not been to Tesco for a while - the old memory bank isn't what it was :(

Sure you mean memory bank George and not (rhyming word) bank?

 

[Len Rum]

love hurts .....

One of my favourite Everly Brothers track George.
Yours?

 

[George Hannah]

My brief phoning session tonight suggests that a lot of people are out at 7pm on a Saturday night, and most Labour voters just don't share your Marxist project fear.

if they don't they certainly should, come on Vic tell it like it is.

 

[Chippy_boy]

You should seek help....

How ironic

 

[Chippy_boy]

Socialism doesn't mean taking wealth from those that work hard and giving it to those that don't ...... you're thinking of Capitalism

You should seek help

 

[George Hannah]

Sure you mean memory bank George and not (rhyming word) bank?

Yesterday's a memory
Tomorrow's accessory
https://www.rhymezone.com/r/rhyme.cgi?Word=memory&loc=snippettotal&typeofrhyme=exa

 

[Chippy_boy]

Good grief. "You started it..." Yah boo sucks.

Liar Corbyn. Marxist Corbyn. We don't vote for Marxists.

 

[Chippy_boy]

My brief phoning session tonight suggests that a lot of people are out at 7pm on a Saturday night, and most Labour voters just don't share your Marxist project fear.

Shame there aren't a few more of them. Half the traditional Labour voters can't stand the Marxist's guts.

 

[Chippy_boy]

You are becoming the forum bore mate.
Take a day off and seek professional help.

Ouch.

They don't like it up 'em, do they.

 

[Hesperus]

Of course it isn't. I said it was a possibility. You seem to have ruled it out.

No, I haven’t ruled it out, but at the moment the opposition don’t look like agreeing to an election. So unless that impasse is resolved there’s no chance of any party getting a majority. Hence my original post, take emotion and party allegiance out of this process and my feeling is that a second referendum is the only way to get it sorted correctly and as quickly as possible. As Boris would say, it would get Brexit done.

 

[Chippy_boy]

No, I haven’t ruled it out, but at the moment the opposition don’t look like agreeing to an election. So unless that impasse is resolved there’s no chance of any party getting a majority. Hence my original post, take emotion and party allegiance out of this process and my feeling is that a second referendum is the only way to get it sorted correctly and as quickly as possible. As Boris would say, it would get Brexit done.

Maybe we are a cross purposes?

I agree there is an issue in that if not enough Labour MPs support another GE, then we won't be having one.

But if they do, I see every possiblity of Tory majority. And I am putting party politics aside on saying that. Bear in mind (a) Labour start from a position of being about 50 seats behind, before a vote is cast. (b) their vote will be hopelessly split between Marxists and Lib Dem and (c) Corbyn's popularity is at an all time low.

If the current 10 to 15 point Tory lead in the polls was maintained in a GE, they'd have a comfortable majority.

 

[Vic]

if they don't they certainly should, come on Vic tell it like it is.

Plenty don't like Corbyn. No one, but no one, ever says "Labour is a Marxist party, so I'm not voting Labour".

 

[Vic]

Shame there aren't a few more of them. Half the traditional Labour voters can't stand the Marxist's guts.

Come on - admit you don't go round asking them. That is absolutely a travesty of the truth.

 

[Hesperus]

Maybe we are a cross purposes?

I agree there is an issue in that if not enough Labour MPs support another GE, then we won't be having one.

But if they do, I see every possiblity of Tory majority. And I am putting party politics aside on saying that. Bear in mind (a) Labour start from a position of being about 50 seats behind, before a vote is cast. (b) their vote will be hopelessly split between Marxists and Lib Dem and (c) Corbyn's popularity is at an all time low.

If the current 10 to 15 point Tory lead in the polls was maintained in a GE, they'd have a comfortable majority.

Heard someone on the radio today say, if the Tory’s are so confident of winning a majority they could make an offer to labour to revoke A50 in return for them agreeing to an election. That would rule out no deal for labour so they’d have no reason to say no to an election. It’s a gamble for the Tory’s but they’d get the election they want and could campaign on leaving the EU as soon as they are in power?

I’ve no idea if that’s feasible but it’s an option to move it along. I can’t see labour agreeing to an election now, they dont just want no deal ruled out during this proposed extension but they want it ruled out full stop.