Bring the Noise

jrb said:
Of course they do. That’s what they do in that section of the ground. If 1894 ever got a dedicated block in the expanded NS, I’d hope we’d sing constantly throughout the match, support the team, and get the rest of the stadium singing as well. What’s wrong with that? Just because I want to sing and support the team constantly throughout the match doesn’t make me a robot or devoid of emotion. I’m like you and every other City fan.

Are you going to criticise the Palace fans as well? Selhurst Park is by far the best home atmosphere in the PL. Palace lose plenty of home games, but their Ultras and the other Palace fans continue supporting the team throughout the match and until the end of the match.

Compare that to when City went 1 down against Wolves. You could hear a pin drop. And 10 minutes before the end of the game when the result was still in the balance, City fans *turned their backs on the team and headed for the exits, when they should have been supporting the team. Is that a better reaction because people were pissed off that City we’re getting beat, or would *you* rather see City fans stay until the end of the match, support the team, and try and help the team turn the result around?

As for a drum and a megaphone. It has been discussed with the club. And the club isn’t against the idea. Obviously some City fans are. Sniff!

Hopefully, if the NS is ever expanded, and 1894 get their own block behind the goal, a drum and/or megaphone could be trialed *within that block*.

But don’t worry, it won’t be near you, unless you want to move into that block and support the team throughout the match, and express your emotions freely and without fear of being ridiculed for do it. ;-)
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I disagree and also think Palace aren’t all that to be honest.

I genuinely don’t think constant monotone chants, no matter what’s happening on the pitch, is helping the players, I don’t think it does at all.

I think singing less often but specifically when you’ve built up some pressure, won two/three challenges in quick succession or if you’ve gone close to scoring helps so much more.

You can do what you want mate, you’re no more of a fan because you want to stand and sing than if you prefer a decent view and don’t. It’s all about personal preference but I hope we don’t get a drum or megaphone as it’s cringeworthy.
 
Prices are ridiculous especially for a game like Villa and even though our football is sublime is was never going to be a rip-roaring game of football.

Was 50/50 about going to the Villa game as I had a Smiths tribute night on friday, so it would have resulted in me not having a drink, due to the early kick off time (another gripe), missing the rugby world cup semi-final and paying out 80 quid plus in petrol for the 500 mile round trip and 10 hour round trip.

As it happened the car went into the garage on Friday and it forced my hand to miss.

Had a few drinks friday, bacon butties watching the rugby, city on tv and then a non-league match at 3 and saved 80 quid and feel much better for it today.

The lack or atmosphere, being messed about with kick off times, ticket prices (season ticket holder but no longer sit with my mates due to pricing) all make me think I am closer to calling it a day which is odd as I have supported City my whole life and dreamed of days like this.
 
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It’s strange really and people probably won’t agree with this but when Pep leaves if we get a new manager who struggles slightly at first but we’re in 3rd/4th place with some players from the academy I think the atmosphere would actually be better.
 
A dedicated singing section in the north stand will make very little if any difference.
I am in south stand 115 and very few people around me sing.
In fact on the row in front of me there are a group of 5 or 6 lads who pay their £700+ for their seat, they never sing and miss about 40% of the game so they can do their drugs.
If they and others of their ilk move to the new north stand (if and when it ever happens) the atmosphere will be just as bad as it is now.
I know the lads in 1894 and they work their nuts off but they are flogging a dead horse with our current fan base.
 
Ban-jani said:
I disagree and also think Palace aren’t all that to be honest.

I genuinely don’t think constant monotone chants, no matter what’s happening on the pitch, is helping the players, I don’t think it does at all.

I think singing less often but specifically when you’ve built up some pressure, won two/three challenges in quick succession or if you’ve gone close to scoring helps so much more.

You can do what you want mate, you’re no more of a fan because you want to stand and sing than if you prefer a decent view and don’t. It’s all about personal preference but I hope we don’t get a drum or megaphone as it’s cringeworthy.
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You obviously don’t watch many Palace home games. Palace’s support isn't great away from home.

So, you don’t think singing or support helps that players or the team?

And by that I don’t mean one chant after another sang constantly. Singing and support doesn't have to be constant.

I mean support like you would hear and witness for the bigger games.

Hamburg? United? Liverpool? Spurs? Arsenal? Chelsea? CL q/f, s/f, FA Cup, League cup, etc.

Singing constantly or just more doesn’t guarantee a result or victory, but the players do react to it. Nobody, not even you can argue that point.

But sometimes the opposition are better, City players have an off day, or poor refereeing or poor VAR decisions will effect the result of the game. Not amount of singing and support can change that.

Unfortunately or fortunately for City fans every home match is like a training game, where we keep the ball, pass it around constantly, attack constantly, and smother the opposition. Matches at the Etihad are no longer exciting affairs, bar the odd game. We go to the match knowing we will dominate the ball, the opposition, the match, a probably win, bar the odd shock. Wolves. That mindset doesn’t bode well for supporting the team. As fans we’ve become complacent about supporting the team. The team don’t need our support as they will win anyway, mindset.

Did I say I was more of a fan than you? No I Didn’t. Don’t go down that road. You are entitled to do what you want to do at the Etihad. So am I. Even if that means using a drum or a megaphone. Even though you are against it and find it cringeworthy. Buy some ear plugs. :-) (I’m joking)
 
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whp.blue said:
A dedicated singing section in the north stand will make very little if any difference.
I am in south stand 115 and very few people around me sing.
In fact on the row in front of me there are a group of 5 or 6 lads who pay their £700+ for their seat, they never sing and miss about 40% of the game so they can do their drugs.
If they and others of their ilk move to the new north stand (if and when it ever happens) the atmosphere will be just as bad as it is now.
I know the lads in 1894 and they work their nuts off but they are flogging a dead horse with our current fan base.
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Agreed. We must be the only ground in the country that has two "singing sections", where neither of them sing for whole games and blame the other one for not having coordinated singing.
The new fans we're attracting aren't interested in singing or the atmosphere either. They spend most of the game filming it on their phones and as far as they're concerned, that's what it's always been like and always will be.
Drums and megaphones at grounds in the UK are a total embarrassment. Some dick going thud thud thud thud thud while fifteen blokes sing MCFC, MCFC, MCFC isn't atmosphere, it's a droning, disinterested noise. We'll never recreate a European atmosphere because the average 21st century premier League fan isn't interested in making it happen.
Flogging a dead horse sums it up perfectly.
 
blueeeee said:
It’s strange really and people probably won’t agree with this but when Pep leaves if we get a new manager who struggles slightly at first but we’re in 3rd/4th place with some players from the academy I think the atmosphere would actually be better.
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I think there is an element of truth in this. @jrb touches on it in his post about a lot of home matches resembling training games. Its poetry on the pitch but not likely to make you jump out of your seat like a game where two sides are going at each other hell for leather.

We have had a few champs league games like this, Monaco, Pool, Spurs etc springs to mind but its certainly no longer the norm.
 
GornikDaze said:
Does your dad not go to league games due to cost? It’s a shame there is no recognition of long term fans that went through the good the bad and then the good again, but as we all know it’s a business not a charity sadly
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Yes. He gave up his seasoncard when it went over a certain amount and then a few years later City opened up those cheaper ones and he registered his interest at first but then just decided he’d go to cup games instead. 7 or so cup games only comes to around £140 and City do really well on that front, but it’d be nice of the Prem tickets were more reasonably priced.

Alright, City can justify it by saying that X amount of games sell out at £65 a ticket and they’re maximising revenue. But how much money does all that really generate? 8000 x £30 x 19 = £4.56m, 8000 x £55 x 19 = £8.36m. Do the club really need that extra £3.8m?

Everyone got excited when the TV revenue money went over £90m a season, and now it’s even higher, but ticket prices (both indv. match tickets and seasoncards) keep on rising.
 
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blueeeee said:
It’s strange really and people probably won’t agree with this but when Pep leaves if we get a new manager who struggles slightly at first but we’re in 3rd/4th place with some players from the academy I think the atmosphere would actually be better.
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You’re right, it would be.
 
Never understood why City give a third of the south stand to away fans, imagine the kop, stretford end or Spuds new one tier stand going the same way, if it's because of the away coach park move the frigin coach park
 
Tim of the Oak said:
I think that’s a record number of excuses in one sentence lol. There hasn’t been a home atmosphere at the last 3 home games including (Wolves and Atalanta). I can understand if the 1884 guys have given up the ghost for all but the biggest games.its not easy carrying the rest of the stadium!
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Not blaming anyone pal just offering a reason for it. For Wolves, same reasons as Villa. For Atalanta, relatively unimportant group stage game against non glamorous opponents in a tournament fast losing its credibility.

We’re no different than anybody else, people are people whoever they support. No team in England except perhaps for Palace and their mindless pretend ultra organised dullness makes much of a noise for routine home games. The demographic has changed, alcohol isn’t as much of a factor, seats, stewarding etc - it all kills the atmosphere except on a few big occasions when the powers that be can’t subdue us because that particular game means so much.
 
franksinatra said:
Prices are ridiculous especially for a game like Villa and even though our football is sublime is was never going to be a rip-roaring game of football.

Was 50/50 about going to the Villa game as I had a Smiths tribute night on friday, so it would have resulted in me not having a drink, due to the early kick off time (another gripe), missing the rugby world cup semi-final and paying out 80 quid plus in petrol for the 500 mile round trip and 10 hour round trip.

As it happened the car went into the garage on Friday and it forced my hand to miss.

Had a few drinks friday, bacon butties watching the rugby, city on tv and then a non-league match at 3 and saved 80 quid and feel much better for it today.

The lack or atmosphere, being messed about with kick off times, ticket prices (season ticket holder but no longer sit with my mates due to pricing) all make me think I am closer to calling it a day which is odd as I have supported City my whole life and dreamed of days like this.
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I'm probably going to get pelters here but i knocked it on the head at the end of last season after 40 years. It might be in the eyes of many daft in light of the what's going on on the pitch but i could take no more of the truly' awful 'match day experience', the appalling atmosphere, the sanitised soulless empty feeling i have. I now watch local non league football and a bit of groundhopping north of the border and i absolutely love it, i don't miss the Etihad one bit and i've really got a spring in my step once again on Saturday afternoons.

I can't fault the football its marvellous but i feel completely detached from MCFC off the park, it's beyond cringeworthy. We have a strange support in terms of demographics, i don't subscribe to the notion that it's much more middle class, the club is still primarlily supported by ordinary working class fans from the Greater Manchester, we have less tourists still than other top clubs but a real dearth of match going fans in the 18-30 range which might explain the lack of atmosphere. The Club don't want 18-30 working class lads watching the team, despite the cosmetics ticking of boxes they couldn't care less which is very sad indeed.
 
Ban-jani said:
Yep. Yesterday wasn’t a sell out and the atmosphere was dead.

How much difference would our revenue be if they did £30 tickets or even a little less?
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there were plenty of tickets for from £15 to £22.50 on Tuesday and there was still a poor atmosphere
 
How come there were so many empty seats yesterday, a month ago on the planner there was just one seat for sale for this match. The family stand yesterday looked appalling. We need the family stand putting in the wings of tier 3, and get some actual support behind that goal. Worst days work the club ever did.
 
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fathellensbellend said:
How come there were so many empty seats yesterday, a month ago on the planned there was just one wear for sale for this match. The family stand yesterday looked appalling. We need the family stand putting in the wings of tier 3, and get some actual support behind that goal. Worst days work the club ever did.
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I imagine yesterday was a game many gave a miss to. Loads of regulars in 115 not there yesterday and with the weather, lunchtime kick etc it probably swung it for a fair few.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
Yes. He gave up his seasoncard when it went over a certain amount and then a few years later City opened up those cheaper ones and he registered his interest at first but then just decided he’d go to cup games instead. 7 or so cup games only comes to around £140 and City do really well on that front, but it’d be nice of the Prem tickets were more reasonably priced.

Alright, City can justify it by saying that X amount of games sell out at £65 a ticket and they’re maximising revenue. But how much money does all that really generate? 8000 x £30 x 19 = £4.56m, 8000 x £55 x 19 = £8.36m. Do the club really need that extra £3.8m?

Everyone got excited when the TV revenue money went over £90m a season, and now it’s even higher, but ticket prices (both indv. match tickets and seasoncards) keep on rising.
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Sad times when fans can’t afford to go anymore - hence all the tourists. Fair enough they bring in the revenue which the club wants but they don’t add anything to the atmosphere. Enjoy the game with your dad Tuesday - special times which I miss with mine.
 
On the plus side, United is at 5.30pm on Saturday.

Talk about going from the sublime to the ridiculous.

A Saturday match, an all dayer, and a night match, as the clocks have now gone back an hour.

The Etihad will be rocking. :-)
 
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