General Election - December 12th, 2019

Who will you vote for in the 2019 General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 160 30.9%

  • Labour

    Votes: 230 44.4%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 59 11.4%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 13 2.5%

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 28 5.4%

  • Plaid Cymru/SNP

    Votes: 7 1.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 21 4.1%
  • Total voters
    518
mcfc1632 said:
That's it - my head has exploded and I need to not read anymore of this shit

Just please try and think this through.....

What the fuck do you mean with

"It depends if you believe in a private companies (in this case BT) ability to carry out the desire of the government to see fibre broadband nationwide....."?

BT/Openreach have been rolling out fibre across the UK for years as part of the EU/UK funding as part of contractual commitments - who else is going to do it if the government decide that Openreach are not up to it?

Also, they, Openreach, are so fully committed they have had to develop close relationships with sub-contractors from other EU countries. the demand for the services of such countries across Europe is so heavy that it is necessary to provide a long-term work programme to keep them committed

Openreach and their sub-contractors currently deliver against contracted service levels and delivery times - just how the fuck would your suggestion work - why would some government insourced company do better?

Why the fuck would nationalising Openreach lead to 'improvements'?

So many of the key staff could up and leave for better paid jobs in other countries

Just fucking daft this shit
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You're aware for one of the richest countries in the world we're 34th in the highest average internet speeds right?

We're absolutely miles behind the likes of Singapore and Sweden
 
BobKowalski said:
Well it’s popular...

"To what extent would you support or oppose a policy providing free broadband internet to all UK homes and businesses by 2030?"

Support: 62%
Oppose: 22%

via @YouGov
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What a silly stat

Who would not support the 'idea'?

I would

I also support lots of other pipe-dreams that would make my life easier for no cost

It's when I learn the 'real' costs that I come back down to earth and engage brain
 
aguerrrroooooooooooo said:
You're aware for one of the richest countries in the world we're 34th in the highest average internet speeds right?

We're absolutely miles behind the likes of Singapore and Sweden
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Of course....

What point are you making apart from some silly rant?

What has your posts/proposals/Labour's policy got to do addressing that fact?

Labour's policy will make that position worse by removing competition in the market

Be honest - you actually don't understand the market do you?
 
mcfc1632 said:
Of course....

What point are you making apart from some silly rant?

What has your posts/proposals/Labour's policy got to do addressing that fact?

Labour's policy will make that position worse by removing competition in the market

Be honest - you actually don't understand the market do you?
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Being honest isn't a strength of yours is it ?

The 'competition' in the market doesn't seem to be doing a great job of driving up standards thus far.

But of course there are really only 2 players and so all quite cosy.
 
CityStu said:
As someone who generally leans towards the conservative side of government spending, I actually quite like this Labour policy. Broadband has become as important as other utilities and centralising it should improve connections in rural areas, that just don't make financial sense for private companies.

However, they've not pitched it right for me. This was the perfect opportunity to scrap HS2 and make the argument that improved home internet would make remote working more viable for more people, thus adding more to the economy and limiting the need for additional high speed transport into London.

As it is, I suspect it's just more Labour spending to be paid for by increasing taxes and borrowing.
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At last - someone that has some sense on this subject

To provide the access as well as the services it is essential to ensure that you have a balance of:

a) motivating as much commercial rollout as possible - so all areas apart from the 'hard to reach' rural areas will gain access and service because companies are incentivised to make such provision so that people take up services

b) a government funded programme to address the hard to reach areas with investment in provision where commercial motivation will not reach

It is stupidity to remove the commercial motivation by making such a commitment - let alone the stupidity of fucking up the competitive market and options for provision that the Labour 'proposal' represent.

Scotland - and other areas of the UK, have this pretty much right - apart from some limited thinking on technology.

They have been running a programme to roll out fibre to 85% - 95% of premises and have started another programme (Reaching 100) to work back from the hardest 1% downwards to meet the 95%.

This means that the vast majority will get access and services at no or limited cost to the government - whilst there is a need for big bucks to deliver the hardest 5% of premises.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Do you understand what drives share prices? [/B][/U][/I] Serious question. It would appear that you don't.
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Although I was really just pointing out the vagaries of share price movement and replying to a poster suggesting that nationalising Openreach might have implications for pensions and share holders, whilst the share price has been dropping for years without any Corbyn intervention, I’ll ask you a serious question. Is there a single answer to that question you’ve posed?
 
Just to put this free broadband policy into perspective.

Johnson’s Brexit deal is estimated to cost us £79bn in 15 years, this is estimated to cost us £34bn in a decade.

It’s not far off half the cost of Brexit.
 
Voting intentions: 15th Nov

Panelbase
Con 43
Lab 30
LD 15
Bre 5
Gre 3

ComRes
Con 40
Lab 30
LD 16
Bre 7
Gre 3

YouGov
Con 42
Lab 28
LD 15
Bre 4
Gre 4
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Voting intentions: 15th Nov

Panelbase
Con 43
Lab 30
LD 15
Bre 5
Gre 3

ComRes
Con 40
Lab 30
LD 16
Bre 7
Gre 3

YouGov
Con 42
Lab 28
LD 15
Bre 4
Gre 4
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Given the recent inaccuracy of opinion polls, I guess that’s a boost for Labour.
 
mcfc1632 said:
What a silly stat

Who would not support the 'idea'?

I would

I also support lots of other pipe-dreams that would make my life easier for no cost

It's when I learn the 'real' costs that I come back down to earth and engage brain
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Can anyone explain how Wales and Scotland have state-run water companies that don't need to make a profit? How come the staff don't move to jobs with English private monopoly water companies?
 
Len Rum said:
Not so.
EU has a permissive policy on how a state industry can be run I.e.if the government can show a private competitor cannot provide an adequate service.
Check it out mate.
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Hmmm - for years I have been providing advice to the SG has they have battled to get through EU regulations mate with regard to their DSSB and R100 programmes.

It leaves me feeling that I have an inkling
 
Len Rum said:
Err...bit like now..shit broadband to most of the country..private companies not capable of sorting it.
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So - who would be providing the delivery Len

Have you - or Corbyn - thought this through

Go on - just answer that simple question
 
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