General Election - December 12th, 2019

Who will you vote for in the 2019 General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 160 30.9%

  • Labour

    Votes: 230 44.4%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 59 11.4%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 13 2.5%

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 28 5.4%

  • Plaid Cymru/SNP

    Votes: 7 1.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 21 4.1%
  • Total voters
    518
inbetween said:
Eh? How did you translate what I said into an attack on London demographics? I never mentioned the people of London, I am talking of Labour as a party and its leadership.

When I say Labour is London centric I mean that Labour politicians only think of a world centred on the ideals that they enjoy in London. That is why the North is somewhat abandoning Labour.

It is because they are the type of people who are rich enough to enjoy the ideals and not worry about the difficulties in life.

They are the kind of people like Emily Thornberry who claims to stand for the working class but is repulsed by the imagery of the realities of the working class.

They are the people who pontificate about the elitism of private schooling but then simultaneously send their own kids to private school!
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What are these fancy London ways of which you speak?

Having dinner at 7-30 instead of some time around 1pm?

Drinking London Pride instead of Boddingtons?

Voting ‘remain’?
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
I thought cutting tax increased the amount of tax taken?
I only think this because: Boris Johnson, one of the candidates to replace Theresa May as Conservative leader and prime minister, told party members in Darlington that cutting the rate of corporation tax always increased the amount of revenue raised.
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well put it this way either it does or it doesn't but he lies and his fanbase just ignore it - they actually ENJOY being lied to !
 
BLUEMATT23 said:
Staggered at the latest poll on here again to be honest, defying all the trends and polls.
Labour don't have a prayer of winning.
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It’s a Manchester based forum - what the hell did you expect?

The Tories are about as dead as that fucking nonce Epstein in Manchester.

Every time they come up for their conference nutters hang effigies of them off bridges, which I don’t condone, despite my criticisms of them.
 
Nowt wrong with hanging effigies.

Now real Tories, well as my chum Andy says, it would be unbecoming.
 
Len Rum said:
So we are agreed Johnson's "success" ( insofar as it was one) was to reverse a previous cock up by his own side (the UK albeit under a different PM ) and to get the 'other side'( the EU) to put back on the table an earlier offer they had made which was better for the UK (despite the fact we rejected it at the time).
AND to do this Johnson had to agree an internal economic border in the UK, something both he and Mavis had categorically ruled out.
That is an internal UK "success" only my friend which takes us back to an EU offer that we could have accepted in December 2017. It does not represent a "victory" over the EU.
As for your constant harping on about the threat of no deal, you are wrong again. The Benn letter in fact took no deal off the table before the current WA was agreed AND the EU know there is no way this PM in particular could countenance no deal ( he likes an easy life and knows he doesn't have the application or skills to lead a country in chaos).
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I thought about replying in detail - but as I said previously my comments were aimed at explanation to those open to objective assessment - not the deniers of truth/facts
 
George Hannah said:
I think it's the former but this is the wrong thread
Emmanuel Macron wants to make it tougher for the European Union to accept new members, adding to signs of French unease at the prospect of Balkan countries joining the bloc and raising the risk of further strains with Germany.
In a document circulated to EU governments, France said the process of EU enlargement should be more “gradual,” terms of accession more “stringent” and the process “reversible.” Eventual accession should only be possible “in the long term,” and only after the bloc has been “reformed,” according to the memo seen by Bloomberg.
Two EU diplomats in Brussels said the French proposals amount to an effective halt on EU enlargement, making accession a moving target for western Balkan countries. EU ministers will discuss the matter on Tuesday, just weeks after Paris torpedoed the start of accession negotiations with Albania and the Republic of North Macedonia.The French proposals were circulated days after President Macron signaled support for rapprochement with Moscow and said the North Atlantic Treaty Organization is suffering a “brain death.”

Seven Steps
In the memo, France proposes that accession talks be organized into seven stages, and that convergence with the EU’s rule-of-law standards be part of the first stage.
The plan highlights France’s exasperation with the constant fighting between Brussels and eastern European countries admitted to the bloc in 2004 and 2007. The skirmishes have centered on judicial independence and the state of democracy in those countries.
One of the EU diplomats said it’s difficult to see how demands for far-reaching overhauls at the beginning of the envisaged process, in return for small rewards, could encourage reforms and reformers in the western Balkans.
The French document is based on the idea of a “variable-geometry Europe,” the second diplomat said, with a series of concentric circles of “associated” countries, which would most likely never become member states.
In return for accepting a slower admission process, Balkan states would be eligible for more financial incentives, including access to structural funds from the EU’s joint budget, according to the memo, the authenticity of which was confirmed by the Elysee Palace.
Access to the bloc’s customs union and the single market would be granted before accession, while negotiations could be suspended at any stage and benefits revoked in the event of backtracking on reforms.
The infighting over further enlargement reflects two competing political views: the German-backed argument that offering more Balkan countries the hope of joining the world’s top trading club strengthens Europe’s stability; and French-led calls for deeper integration of the bloc before any further expansion.
For many Brussels insiders, Macron’s resistance to further enlargement is rooted in internal considerations, as admitting more poor member states could further strengthen euroskeptic and populist forces, including in France.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...w-eu-expansion-in-latest-sweeping-reform-push
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Well that was interesting.

For all those who have dissed the idea that the EU has meant peace in Europe and (a) credit NATO for that and (b) are against a "European army"....

If NATO is suffering "brain death" and Europe could not rely on the US honouring Article Five, what then for a European army?
 
mcfc1632 said:
So - just you essentially telling another Labour voter to fuck off
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We all know the polls are notoriously volatile in their predictions, but if we assume they're correct, Labour
canvassers must be telling everyone who doesn't open the door wearing a Lenin cap and a Che Guevara Onesie
to fuck off.
 
mcfc1632 said:
Because a lot of you seek to deny the truth and twist facts
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Is it a fact and the truth that the official Leave campaign told us that if we left the EU we would still be in a free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border?

Answer. It's a fact they told us that. It's not the truth.
 
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BobKowalski said:
Andrew Neil with the burn...

‘Boris Johnson tells CBI he’s “postponing” further cuts in corporation tax (from 19% to 17%) because this will save £6bn to spend on public services. Yet only this morning his Business Secretary was telling the BBC that previous cuts in CT had generated MORE revenues’
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Bloody Commies.....
 
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