General Election - December 12th, 2019

Who will you vote for in the 2019 General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 160 30.9%

  • Labour

    Votes: 230 44.4%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 59 11.4%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 13 2.5%

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 28 5.4%

  • Plaid Cymru/SNP

    Votes: 7 1.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 21 4.1%
  • Total voters
    518
karen7 said:
Boris is selling 50,000 new nurses,19,000 already being in training are not new,also he is going to take measures to stop nurses leaving and invite some back,he has no control over either of those unless he gives them free parking and a pay rise and he isn't offering either ,getting 12,500 from abroad is not a given either,they have to pay 600 quid to come,have to have extra training to bring them up to UK standards so his promise on this is bollocks,he knows most people will just accept him shouting 50,000 more and take it as gospel,same with new drs and police,it's equally a lie if you look into it in the same way
40 new hospitals has turned out to be 6 refurbished
Saying labour lie as well is not really the point,no-one lies like boris does,he has modelled himself on trump,shout,wave your arms around,bluster and hope no-one looks at the detail
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No point in me quoting half the Labour manifesto at you Karen, but the same criticisms can be levelled at much of its content.

Corbyn has been a serial liar all his life, he's just better at it. He's the one of the most duplicitous, slimy and thoroughly unpleasant individuals ever to enter parliament and yet some people refuse to accept it or even see it. Thankfully most do.
 
Chippy_boy said:
No point in me quoting half the Labour manifesto at you Karen, but the same criticisms can be levelled at much of its content.

Corbyn has been a serial liar all his life, he's just better at it. He's the one of the most duplicitous, slimy and thoroughly unpleasant individuals ever to enter parliament and yet some people refuse to accept it or even see it. Thankfully most do.
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Deflecting to labour doesn't answer what i posted,the promises made about our emergency services are lies,big lies and are probably what the majority are going to vote for,they have to be taken apart,boris is the siting prime minister,he should be held to a higher standard
I can't speak to what labour are promising because i haven't read it,i usually wait for the dust to settle and see what the details are,i don't like corbyn one bit,he has ruined labour so you have no arguement there
 
karen7 said:
Boris is selling 50,000 new nurses,19,000 already being in training are not new,also he is going to take measures to stop nurses leaving and invite some back,he has no control over either of those unless he gives them free parking and a pay rise and he isn't offering either ,getting 12,500 from abroad is not a given either,they have to pay 600 quid to come,have to have extra training to bring them up to UK standards so his promise on this is bollocks,he knows most people will just accept him shouting 50,000 more and take it as gospel,same with new drs and police,it's equally a lie if you look into it in the same way
40 new hospitals has turned out to be 6 refurbished
Saying labour lie as well is not really the point,no-one lies like boris does,he has modelled himself on trump,shout,wave your arms around,bluster and hope no-one looks at the detail
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The main issue here is content Paul Johnson from our dear friends at the IFS has been quoted as saying that there's barely enough in the manifesto for a budget never mind a 5 years of parliament. It strikes me now at half way point and Johnson is more scared of losing this than being bold and stating his case for winning and driving home his advantage personally I think that he has bottled it. But would love to here from some Tory voters on how exciting this manifesto is positives. Apart from get the tired old slogan of Get Brexit Done and guess how much its going to costs its devoid any substance what so ever.
 
Mike D said:
The main issue here is content Paul Johnson from our dear friends at the IFS has been quoted as saying that there's barely enough in the manifesto for a budget never mind a 5 years of parliament. It strikes me now at half way point and Johnson is more scared of losing this than being bold and stating his case for winning and driving home his advantage personally I think that he has bottled it. But would love to here from some Tory voters on how exciting this manifesto is positives. Apart from get the tired old slogan of Get Brexit Done and guess how much its going to costs its devoid any substance what so ever.
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Which if he gets a TM style majority he'll be on the hard brexit candidates to get it through.

Then the repealing of our rights begins...but we voted for it so tough shit.
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Mike D said:
The main issue here is content Paul Johnson from our dear friends at the IFS has been quoted as saying that there's barely enough in the manifesto for a budget never mind a 5 years of parliament. It strikes me now at half way point and Johnson is more scared of losing this than being bold and stating his case for winning and driving home his advantage personally I think that he has bottled it. But would love to here from some Tory voters on how exciting this manifesto is positives. Apart from get the tired old slogan of Get Brexit Done and guess how much its going to costs its devoid any substance what so ever.
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You can't blame Johnson for this. Like Apollo Creed going into the last round in Rocky II he just needs to 'stay away' from Corbyn and say as little as possible and he's home and hosed. The fact we've got such an ineffectual wanker as leader of opposition is a terrible shame, but Johnson is understandably making the most of that.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
You’ll be suggesting we give the government 3% of the purchase price of a property next. Maybe 7.5% if over £2M , 10% if over £4M or 11% over £8M? We could put it up to 14% if buying subsequent properties?
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Stamp duty is a tax on sales and so is more or less the same as VAT. It has nothing to do with ownership nor anything to do with taking to pay off things.

Most rich people are not cash rich, they are land owners, shareholders etc so with your previous post the only way to free up that cash to pay off the national debt is the theft of their land, shares etc...

Hence I said why doesn't everyone just give up a bit of their own homes instead of expecting someone else to give up theirs?
 
Chippy_boy said:
Your assertion that it not be illegal is noted and disagreed with. The courts would end up deciding.
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Chippy, I believe that from an EU perspective nationalisation is legal, but taking back assets without paying market value is a no go.
As such the OpenReach nationalisation would cost much nearer the BT asset value rather than the Labour guestimate.
It should be noted that the ownership of the National Grid has been moved abroad this week to guarantee this. The first of many I suspect.
 
Mike D said:
The main issue here is content Paul Johnson from our dear friends at the IFS has been quoted as saying that there's barely enough in the manifesto for a budget never mind a 5 years of parliament. It strikes me now at half way point and Johnson is more scared of losing this than being bold and stating his case for winning and driving home his advantage personally I think that he has bottled it. But would love to here from some Tory voters on how exciting this manifesto is positives. Apart from get the tired old slogan of Get Brexit Done and guess how much its going to costs its devoid any substance what so ever.
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Yep i saw several "experts" on sky saying that he has no vision or plans for the next 5 yrs so is putting out wild lies on what people are most concerned about and shout brexit everywhere,i think you are right,he is scared about losing more than anything,he has tried to force through brexit every which way,that is literally all he cares about,i have always maintained an election is not the answer to brexit,we are voting them in for 5 yrs,it should not be a single issue decider
 
BobKowalski said:
No. It’s called tax. If Govt imposes a one off windfall tax or changes the tax rules or tax brackets or makes holdings and investments previously exempt from tax subject to tax and/or imposes currency controls making it impossible to transfer monies above a certain threshold out of the country or only make it possible subject to punitive tax rates or well you get the idea.

Point is it isn’t difficult to dress up the acquisition of money or assets as tax. Whether it is advisable or not is a different matter.
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Or basically, how can we unlock the wealth that is locked away in someone elses safe?

Sounds like what Chippy said, theft.
 
Mike D said:
The main issue here is content Paul Johnson from our dear friends at the IFS has been quoted as saying that there's barely enough in the manifesto for a budget never mind a 5 years of parliament. It strikes me now at half way point and Johnson is more scared of losing this than being bold and stating his case for winning and driving home his advantage personally I think that he has bottled it. But would love to here from some Tory voters on how exciting this manifesto is positives. Apart from get the tired old slogan of Get Brexit Done and guess how much its going to costs its devoid any substance what so ever.
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I agree it's uninspiring and from some perspectives disappointing. But since when was financial prudence "exiting"? Those most disappointed I guess will be the ones hoping to get something for nothing. Whilst the majority who realise everything has to be paid for, are probably a little more circumspect.

Corbyn is promising milk and honey for all, paid for by no-one. It's totally dishonest and at the same time, completely unrealistic and unachievable, and can in no way be used as a sensible yardstick for comparison.
 
karen7 said:
Yep i saw several "experts" on sky saying that he has no vision or plans for the next 5 yrs so is putting out wild lies on what people are most concerned about and shout brexit everywhere,i think you are right,he is scared about losing more than anything,he has tried to force through brexit every which way,that is literally all he cares about,i have always maintained an election is not the answer to brexit,we are voting them in for 5 yrs,it should not be a single issue decider
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To be honest I am not sure Johnson is even that bothered about Brexit. He certainly wasn't in the past. It's just it's his only ticket out of the mess the Tories were in when May was booted out, so that's the path he's following.

And regards the messaging, there's a striking similarly between "Take Back Control" and "Get Brexit Done", two endlessly repeated 3 word phrases, doubtless coined by the same man, Dominic Cummings. Personally I find both phrases extremely tedious and rather than being vote-winners, just downright irritating. But what do I know - it worked last time.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
You can't blame Johnson for this. Like Apollo Creed going into the last round in Rocky II he just needs to 'stay away' from Corbyn and say as little as possible and he's home and hosed. The fact we've got such an ineffectual wanker as leader of opposition is a terrible shame, but Johnson is understandably making the most of that.
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I am still hoping that there's a god out there and keep this **** Johnson out because with a majority god help us and I know that to some a hard Brexit will mean fuck all they own there house or nearly do and things will stay pretty much the same. But there are some people at the lower end of the scale who are going to be totally fucked over by the man and he doesn't give a shit. Still its only half time this as you say this could see him over the line (just) of could backfire spectalury like it did for May in 2017.
 
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Chippy_boy said:
To be honest I am not sure Johnson is even that bothered about Brexit. He certainly wasn't in the past. It's just it's his only ticket out of the mess the Tories were in when May was booted out, so that's the path he's following.

And regards the messaging, there's a striking similarly between "Take Back Control" and "Get Brexit Done", two endlessly repeated 3 word phrases, doubtless coined by the same man, Dominic Cummings. Personally I find both phrases extremely tedious and rather than being vote-winners, just downright irritating. But what do I know - it worked last time.
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I reckon a lot of research goes into phrases like that and they prove to be effective. Wasn't Obamas ''Yes we can'' and Tony Blairs ''Things can only get better''.

Problem with the ones Boris is using they alienate half the population.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Corbyn has been a serial liar all his life, he's just better at it. He's the one of the most duplicitous, slimy and thoroughly unpleasant individuals ever to enter parliament and yet some people refuse to accept it or even see it.
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No he isn't.

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Chippy_boy said:
To be honest I am not sure Johnson is even that bothered about Brexit. He certainly wasn't in the past. It's just it's his only ticket out of the mess the Tories were in when May was booted out, so that's the path he's following.

And regards the messaging, there's a striking similarly between "Take Back Control" and "Get Brexit Done", two endlessly repeated 3 word phrases, doubtless coined by the same man, Dominic Cummings. Personally I find both phrases extremely tedious and rather than being vote-winners, just downright irritating. But what do I know - it worked last time.
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Johnson's Russian paymasters won't be happy if he doesn't deliver Brexit.

 
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